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returntothepit >> discuss >> I need help finding a venue for a show by WarriorOfMetal on Jun 18,2009 2:15pm
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toggletoggle post by WarriorOfMetal   at Jun 18,2009 2:15pm edited Jun 19,2009 11:43pm
I'm trying to find a venue where we (Shroud of Bereavement) can host a show...unfortunately, we have some tricky requirements.

We want to bring our friends Todesbonden up from Maryland to play with us, and the only time they can travel up to New England is for a Saturday night show (edit: in September). Also, they run their own in-ear monitors, and require a minimum of (edit: 10) mixer channels to do that.

Shroud has 7 members and Todesbonden has 6, so the stage can't be really small.

I've already contacted the Middle East and Church...Middle East won't give us a Saturday show, and Church is already booked for all the weekends this summer.

It doesn't need to be in/immediately around Boston (although that'd be nice)...just somewhere in New England where we can bring a decent number of people to a decent venue. 18+ would be nice, especially if it's around Boston, since I have friends around here who aren't 21 yet.
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toggletoggle post by boblovesmusic   at Jun 18,2009 2:18pm
that would be awesome if this could be pulled off



toggletoggle post by boblovesmusic   at Jun 18,2009 2:21pm
Ralph's?



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jun 18,2009 2:33pm
KC'S Tap?



toggletoggle post by RustyPS  at Jun 18,2009 2:33pm
Club Oasis?



toggletoggle post by boblovesmusic   at Jun 18,2009 2:36pm
Club Hell?



toggletoggle post by WarriorOfMetal   at Jun 18,2009 2:38pm
KC's is out...the last time we played there, it was a huge project to get us and our shit there and back, and the turnout ended up sucking because almost everyone (incl. most of the other bands' members) left before we even started, and we got cut short, and it's my understanding that it's hard to get people to come out there anyway.

Ralph's might be a possibility. I'm not familiar with Oasis.



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at Jun 18,2009 2:38pm
RustyPS said[orig][quote]
Club Oasis?
that sounds perfect for what he wants, consdering it's 18+.



toggletoggle post by WarriorOfMetal   at Jun 18,2009 2:38pm
Club Hell might work, but I'm not sure if they could meet Todesbonden's technical requirements.



toggletoggle post by boblovesmusic   at Jun 18,2009 2:40pm
Great Scott? Not the best for space, but could be worse.



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Jun 18,2009 2:40pm
dreadkill said[orig][quote]
RustyPS said[orig][quote]
Club Oasis?
that sounds perfect for what he wants, consdering it's 18+.


yeah i might be able to work that out... any particular date ur lookin for?



toggletoggle post by WarriorOfMetal   at Jun 18,2009 2:41pm
I sent Great Scott an email last night, waiting to hear back. Harpers Ferry also.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jun 18,2009 2:42pm
The Ratt? Bombshelter? Mark's Showplace?



toggletoggle post by WarriorOfMetal   at Jun 18,2009 2:43pm
FuckIsMySignature said[orig][quote]
dreadkill said[orig][quote]
RustyPS said[orig][quote]
Club Oasis?
that sounds perfect for what he wants, consdering it's 18+.


yeah i might be able to work that out... any particular date ur lookin for?


I don't have a particular date in mind, other than "a Saturday in August"...I'd have to ask Todesbonden if they have a preference. Can you tell me more about the venue itself?



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Jun 18,2009 2:55pm edited Jun 18,2009 2:55pm
The Venue is in the back area of a pool hall in Worcester (London Billiards). I've booked about 5 or so shows there and its actually a pretty cool environment for metal. I believe the board has 16 channels - although some of the channel dont work that well. Also there are no monitors because some scumbag stole them. That may change however come august.



toggletoggle post by blue  at Jun 18,2009 2:57pm
Megalulz @ band who will only play if they have 16 channels of in ear monitors.



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Jun 18,2009 2:58pm
ya i've never even heard of that before



toggletoggle post by WarriorOfMetal   at Jun 18,2009 3:02pm edited Jun 18,2009 3:03pm
blue said[orig][quote]
Megalulz @ band who will only play if they have 16 channels of in ear monitors.

They have their own system for it that they control. They just need enough available channels on the FOH board to be able to set it up. FWIW, we're not talking about some random local band.



toggletoggle post by MillenialKingdom  at Jun 18,2009 3:06pm
Who do they think they are, Saint To Sinner?



toggletoggle post by WarriorOfMetal   at Jun 18,2009 3:07pm
MillenialKingdom said[orig][quote]
Who do they think they are, Saint To Sinner?

I have no idea who that is.



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Jun 18,2009 3:08pm
inside joke ftw



toggletoggle post by WarriorOfMetal   at Jun 18,2009 3:10pm
My bad, I just heard from Todesbonden, it's actually 10 channels they need, not 16.



toggletoggle post by RustyPS  at Jun 18,2009 3:11pm
Rich Bova doesn't need monitors, he can hear his perfect shredding perfectly with his perfect ears



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Jun 18,2009 3:13pm
well if you want we can meet up sometime and i could show you the venue to see if it would work for what you're lookin for.



toggletoggle post by WarriorOfMetal   at Jun 18,2009 3:18pm
FuckIsMySignature said[orig][quote]
well if you want we can meet up sometime and i could show you the venue to see if it would work for what you're lookin for.


That might work. I'll see if I can make it out to Worcester any time soon.



toggletoggle post by BoarcorpseJimbo   at Jun 18,2009 3:31pm
"They have their own system for it that they control. They just need enough available channels on the FOH board to be able to set it up."

Maybe i don't fully understand this... but if they have their own complete set up wouldn't that include a mixer? Expecting clubs to have that many free channels could really limit what else is going through the PA (NO drums) and a lot of smaller places flat out couldn't do it...



toggletoggle post by WarriorOfMetal   at Jun 18,2009 3:48pm
BoarcorpseJimbo said[orig][quote]
"They have their own system for it that they control. They just need enough available channels on the FOH board to be able to set it up."

Maybe i don't fully understand this... but if they have their own complete set up wouldn't that include a mixer? Expecting clubs to have that many free channels could really limit what else is going through the PA (NO drums) and a lot of smaller places flat out couldn't do it...


They have their own monitor mixer, and a snake that goes from that to the venue's own input box. This way, they can have the monitor mixer onstage with them, and control how that's set up, and then send the unaffected signals to the FOH board as well.

This would not be 10 channels dedicated to monitors PLUS whatever's going through the mains, but included in whatever's going through the mains.



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Jun 18,2009 3:54pm
that sounds like a frustratingly inconvienient way to go about playing shows on a regular basis



toggletoggle post by C.dEad at Jun 18,2009 4:18pm
FuckIsMySignature said[orig][quote]
that sounds like a frustratingly inconvienient way to go about playing shows on a regular basis


.....and retarded. Look at how long this thread is and still I don't think one person understands, including the poster (no offense). Either way, they must be REALLY anal about how they sound.



toggletoggle post by C.dEad at Jun 18,2009 4:19pm
Oh and have fun explaining this to a soundguy around here considering they can't seem to figure out how to put a pitchshifter through their own PA.



toggletoggle post by WarriorOfMetal   at Jun 18,2009 4:20pm
Would you rather see a band with an amazing singer hit lots of bad notes because she can't hear herself? A lot of venues have monitor mixes that are questionable, at best, and for a band with a melodic singer, this can be a serious problem. Sure, if you're in a grind or death metal band where you don't need to worry about being on pitch, this is pretty much irrelevant...but for a band like Todesbonden, being on pitch is key (no pun intended) to having a good performance...and if they have a way to control their own monitor mix, then why not? It's not really much more time-consuming than going straight into the venue's input box, and they probably have preset levels that they can tweak from if need be.

Shroud has entirely too much experience with bad monitor mixes, and we've definitely talked about the possibility of getting in-ears for our singers...and probably will do so at some point in the future.

Professionalism is very important, and I think that whatever it takes to get the best possible live performance is worth pursuing if it's not completely unreasonable.



toggletoggle post by WarriorOfMetal   at Jun 18,2009 4:24pm
C.dEad said[orig][quote]
FuckIsMySignature said[orig][quote]
that sounds like a frustratingly inconvienient way to go about playing shows on a regular basis


.....and retarded. Look at how long this thread is and still I don't think one person understands, including the poster (no offense). Either way, they must be REALLY anal about how they sound.


No, I understand their setup perfectly. I originally posted this thread not remembering very clearly how it worked, but after being reminded by Todesbonden's guitarist, I can tell you that this is not a difficult thing to set up at all. I work as a stagehand for a living, and if a venue's sound guy didn't know how to set this up, I'm sure that I or someone in Todesbonden could set it up for them, no problem.



toggletoggle post by C.dEad at Jun 18,2009 4:27pm
Just saying it might be pretty hard. I wish you guys all the best.



toggletoggle post by WarriorOfMetal   at Jun 18,2009 4:30pm
That would be why I asked for help. Finding the combination of a venue with a decent sized stage and the ability to satisfy the technical requirements, but ALSO being willing to give us a show on a Saturday night, is why I'm having a hard time.



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Jun 18,2009 4:48pm
warrior -pm me when you want to get together and i'll do my best set somethin up for ya. sounds like it could be a good time.



toggletoggle post by sinistas   at Jun 18,2009 5:14pm
I'd love to get DS on this if it gets set up. I've wanted to play a show with Todesbonden forever.



toggletoggle post by boblovesmusic   at Jun 18,2009 5:17pm
this would be an awesome show to go to!



toggletoggle post by BoarcorpseJimbo   at Jun 18,2009 5:20pm
i totally understand the need for the singer to hear exactly what's going on.. Our singer in UI uses a nice in ear monitor... but why does the rest of the band need em? I mean honestly unless your playing places that are big enough that you wouldn't hear the drums/stacks on stage than it would be totally unnecessary.



toggletoggle post by BoarcorpseJimbo   at Jun 18,2009 5:22pm
don't get me wrong, i'm sure they're a wonderful band/group of guys by how you're talking about them. (I don't know em) I just question the neccesity of how they do it. But it is nice to hear a metal band's vocalist using one.



toggletoggle post by WarriorOfMetal   at Jun 18,2009 5:32pm edited Jun 18,2009 5:33pm
I'm not sure if the whole band uses them or not, but either way, the way they have it set up takes the sound guy out of the equation (in terms of monitors) when there are way too many incompetent ones out there. I think that even if just Laurie and Patrick (violinist) were using it, they'd probably still want something similar to keep things consistent from show to show.


sinistas - keep in touch, we'll talk about it.



toggletoggle post by BoarcorpseJimbo   at Jun 18,2009 5:34pm
How many people do you think you could draw with this show? I might be able to help in Boston.



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at Jun 18,2009 5:36pm
i want an in ear monitor. it'd make my life so much better onstage.



toggletoggle post by WarriorOfMetal   at Jun 18,2009 5:40pm
Obviously that depends on how well it gets promoted. If we get something set up soon and promote it right, I think we can bring a decent crowd. I figured Shroud would headline, Todesbonden as second billing, and then 1-2 local openers if we can find the right ones. We promoted the shit out of our Metal Thursday show last month and had a good turnout...50+ people I think, in a small venue on a Thursday night.

Where do you have in mind for Boston?



toggletoggle post by BoarcorpseJimbo   at Jun 18,2009 6:02pm
I got nothing for ya, Saturdays are a bust at said venue, I just called em.



toggletoggle post by WarriorOfMetal   at Jun 18,2009 6:03pm
Yeah, that's proving to be one of the hardest parts. Out of curiosity, where was it?



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Jun 18,2009 6:04pm
sinistas said[orig][quote]
I'd love to get DS on this if it gets set up. I've wanted to play a show with Todesbonden forever.


that was actually my first thought



toggletoggle post by WarriorOfMetal   at Jun 18,2009 6:07pm
Thanks for the help, everyone...off to practice, now...I'll check in when I get back.



toggletoggle post by olsonuf  at Jun 18,2009 10:23pm edited Jun 18,2009 10:26pm
Just to clarify one detail in the original post here...

With or without the In-Ear Monitors, we have 10 channels. We are merely running them all through our own monitoring mixer beforehand, then sending the uneffected signals out to the FOH mixer via our own snake. The IEM's, although they will affect no one at all except us, are necessary for us to stay in sync to our keyboard parts, which do not presently come from a live performer.

Jason
Guitarist, Todesbonden

(edit:

PS - the setup consists of:
4 for drums (Kick, Snare, 2 Overheads)
2 guitars
1 bass DI
1 vocal
1 violin
1 keyboard track

We will set up everything in our live rig and supply all mics and cables plus the XLR snake out from our mixer.)



toggletoggle post by BoarcorpseJimbo   at Jun 18,2009 11:12pm
That makes total sense. I've thought of doing something similar so we could totally control our mix. So let me ask you, I had always thought that i would give the FOH mixer just a left and right channel so it would be real hard for them to screw it up. What's the advantage to giving them the xlr snake?



toggletoggle post by olsonuf  at Jun 18,2009 11:22pm
BoarcorpseJimbo said[orig][quote]
That makes total sense. I've thought of doing something similar so we could totally control our mix. So let me ask you, I had always thought that i would give the FOH mixer just a left and right channel so it would be real hard for them to screw it up. What's the advantage to giving them the xlr snake?


Mainly, the biggest advantage is not having to be the FOH engineer on top of being a band member and monitoring engineer. I do both of the latter for Todesbonden, and that's more than I'd really like to be responsible for...but if it's that or put our monitors in someone else's hands, I'll gladly take it.

Plus, it would be very difficult, I would imagine, to gauge how we sound to the audience (as mixer) while standing on the stage (as performer).

So I guess we sorta take a gamble by sending the FOH mixer all the individual channels. We just hope/assume that a venue will hire someone who knows how to work the sound system they invested the money to buy if they want repeat business and good word-of-mouth.



toggletoggle post by WarriorOfMetal   at Jun 18,2009 11:46pm
Thanks for coming on here and clarifying, Jason. Also, I think I'm gonna start asking about September dates as well. I just found out that one of our members will be away for a couple weeks in August, and playing a show right after that might not be that great of an idea, ya know?



toggletoggle post by WarriorOfMetal   at Jun 19,2009 11:43pm
Looking for September now, instead of July/August.



toggletoggle post by Othniel77   at Jun 21,2009 4:17pm
The Lilypad in Inman Square will allow all-ages shows. Capacity is only 93 though. And you can't crank up to 11, if you get my drift. It's $35 an hour to rent it out, you can rent it out for as many hours as you need, just gotta send 'em a check for the full amount ahead of time. You set your own door price, keep all the $$$ day of show.

Drawbacks: doesn't serve alcohol but there are tons of bars right next door.

Cambridge YMCA Theatre. Huge stage, about $300 to rent it out. All-ages. Great sound. Very classy. Drawbacks: no bar, can't play past 10 pm (but you can book an all-day, all-ages show on a weekend).





toggletoggle post by I_am_not_me   at Jun 22,2009 1:09am
I REALLY hope this works out. Catching Todesbonden would definitely be cool.



toggletoggle post by keynotecompany  at Jun 23,2009 1:57am
Othniel77 said[orig][quote]
The Lilypad in Inman Square will allow all-ages shows. Capacity is only 93 though. And you can't crank up to 11, if you get my drift. It's $35 an hour to rent it out, you can rent it out for as many hours as you need, just gotta send 'em a check for the full amount ahead of time. You set your own door price, keep all the $$$ day of show.

Drawbacks: doesn't serve alcohol but there are tons of bars right next door.

Cambridge YMCA Theatre. Huge stage, about $300 to rent it out. All-ages. Great sound. Very classy. Drawbacks: no bar, can't play past 10 pm (but you can book an all-day, all-ages show on a weekend).




So it's still $300 whether it's just for the night or all day?
Are they cool with moshing?
Appreciate the info, might need to look into this place.



toggletoggle post by blue  at Jun 23,2009 8:47am
Lulz at suggesting the lily pad. Tried booking a death metal show there 3 years ago, they made sure to cancel my show the day of & take months to refund my deposit.



toggletoggle post by RichHorror  at Jun 23,2009 1:40pm
We played there once. Someone covered a Negative Approach song and all the paintings were destroyed. It was awesome.



toggletoggle post by WarriorOfMetal   at Jun 27,2009 1:50am
Waiting on confirmation from Todesbonden, but I have a venue and a date figured out. More details to come soon!



toggletoggle post by fuck logging in at Jun 27,2009 9:40am
WarriorOfMetal said[orig][quote]
Waiting on confirmation from Todesbonden, but I have a venue and a date figured out. More details to come soon!

sick



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