Why the FUCK does every single CD on Relapse have a sticker on it that says "For Fans Of: The Black Dahlia Murder, etc." How is Brutal Truth for fans of The Black Dahlia Murder???

classic

I'm surprised they don't all say "For fans of Job For A Cowboy" these days.

ZenErik said:

I just got a CD that said that, but can't remember who or what label. Whatever sells records I guess.

If I ever run a record label, no matter what style of music I put out, every CD is going to be advertised "For Fans of John Tesh, LFO & White Lion. As seen on tour with JoJo & The Black Dahlia Murder!"

Relapse will do anything. They've got some good bands, but they push the crap hard.

If I remember correctly, years ago when the Grimoire of Exalted Deed (a hysterical free Metal fanzine) was being put in packages, Relapse would tear out adds of other record labels. Specifically Necropolis.

The thing is, Relapse has never released any of The Black Dahlia Murder's CDs, but they put that name on all their good CDs (i.e. Pig Destroyer, Cephalic Carnage, Brutal Truth, Coldworker, and the list goes on). And even if you don't think those CDs are "good," it's still ridiculous to lump them into the same category as a second-rate, rehashed At The Gates rip-off.

MarkFuckingRichards said:

I was gonna say that. If they we're a relapse band it'd make a whole lot more sense. I'd don't think I've ever bought a CD based off the sticker than tells me what it sounds like.

The saddest part about this issue is that all the CDs I have purchased with said sticker are fucking awesome, but I don't really think TBDM are nearly as awesome as any of them. It does sell, and it gets a lot of people to get exposed to some good music, but I can't help but think it's retarded.

I'd really like to see a "for fans of TBDM" sticker on an At The Gates CD.

I bet there will be.

This sticker is also on the new Dying Fetus. Lamb Of God is also mentioned.

MarkFuckingRichards said:

It has been this way for 13 years.

So Relapse conceptualized TBDM before they became a band? That's some crazy shit.

MarkFuckingRichards said:

No, that they have a metal-HC (or emo) hybrid they overpromote while slighting everything else.

Yeah, I know. I was making a half-assed attempt at funny, or at least somewhat amusing, haha.

Still bugs me that TBDM gets thrown in with the metalcore crowd. They aren't a bad band.

MarkFuckingRichards said:

I don't think its just Relapse CDs, it seems like almost all new metal CDs have TBDM on it, along with Hatebreed, Lamb of God, Killswitch Engage and Slayer.

The NWO is trying to sell you nu-metal-infused kathoeycore to cut your balls off so you just start conforming ASAP. Like yesterday, join the grey race!

MarkFuckingRichards said:

Oh. Well, I did chuckle, shortly before lapsing into deranged nostalgia for the newsprint smell of the old Relapse catalogs.

archaeon said:

Grant, you are correct. I can't wait till the new album. I think they are extremely overrated but they don't suck. I do wish they would just keep a drummer.

I'll admit to only reading the first four or so posts because the subject just gets me (more) ornery.

That said, I blame Victory Records.

... and

Victory Records is the worst offender of these labels who put those stupid Sounds Like: stickers on their releases.

MarkFuckingRichards said:

ha, i thought that was hilarious

archaeon said:

They're not a good band either.

demondave said:

I'm surprised Relapse ever used The Grimoire as a package stuffer, seeing that Bill Zebub shits all over most of the bands on that label in his reviews -- I still love his one-line album review "This album is weaker than Aquaman."

Grimoire used to rule so hard. The black metal reviews (even though i never agreed with half of them altogether) were brilliant.

"He screams satan as if he was imagining him naked"

That one was good, or the David Vincent interview when he asked him:

"Has anyone ever said to thou "Davey, Davey, stick thy head in gravy"?

Classic.

archaeon said:

They are far from metalcore. I don't think I've heard any "-core" elements in their music ever. I don't necessarily think they're terrible, but I've slowly grown tired of them over the past few years. I still enjoy the first EP they put out, and I liked "Unhallowed" until DrinkHardThrashHard (where the hell has he been?!) pointed out that the title track is almost a direct ATG rip-off.

Upon further inspection, I found that "Unhallowed," the entire album, is as close to a complete rip-off of "Slaughter of the Soul" as you can get without being 100% blatant. It's as if they took the blueprints to "Slaughter..." and just switched around a few parts. It was already bad enough that 90% of "metal" or "metalcore" bands were ripping off ATG (I'll even admit that my old band tried to sound like them) and doing a terrible job at it before TBDM even became established. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate TBDM, but I do think they are extremely overrated, as CTB already said, and that the fascination most people have with them is retarded and undeserved.

They've been called deathcore before too, which makes absolutely no sense.

they should be called "borecore".

Fatgutnoshirtcore

Haha, how the hell can anyone call them deathcore??? That is even more retarded than calling them metalcore. I've made this point before, and I've also seen Lamp make this point, that 99% of the bands labelled as "metalcore" aren't even real metalcore. Bands like Integrity, Ringworm, Converge, etc. are real metalcore: an even mix of metal elements and hardcore elements. I'd even say All Out War since they are a Slayer worship band with NY style hardcore mixed in. Most "metalcore" bands these days are Atreyu, Bleeding Through, As I Lay Dying, etc., none of which have substantial REAL metal or REAL hardcore elements. And saying that metalcore is just "metal with breakdowns" doesn't work, since most real hardcore bands don't have the style of breakdowns used in "metalcore." To top it off, most of those "breakdowns" are actually half-assed attempts at Slayer-style breakdowns (see "Raining Blood"...you know which riff I'm talking about), if you want to call them breakdowns. So, all these bands that are labelled as "metalcore" these days are just pop-metal or "mosh metal" if you want to go that far into genre-definition.

everyone should make sweet, wholesome music and call it "applecore".

Listen to applecore everyday and mosh the doctor away.

hahahaha

I watched a D.R.I. video the other day, An the announcer was like "one of the greatest metalcore bands of all time..... DRI!"

music is silly, I'm sure TBDM will be labeled with every "xcore" (no pun intended, x being a variable) that comes around.

Music is most definitely silly.

X + CORE/Breakdowns = gay to 10th power.

That's a lot of gay power!

Mark is awesome!

archaeon said:

Well, that's what metalcore was used for back in the 80s before the invention of the word "crossover"(which surely enough comes from DRI as well). Metal seems to be adept at stealing punk words. The word "thrash" was used to describe hardcore well before metal, and because of what the word hardcore has morphed into, a lot of punk kids are going back to calling it thrash(though I always refer to stuff like Slayer as thrash metal so I can differentiate it) or even "thrashcore"(ala 625 thrashcore, yada yada).

The point being: fuck you.

Watche do you expect from a Jew and a Slav? That's relapse.

They used to call DRI "thrash" until the term "crossover" became trendy.

Lamp said:

I do what I can, haha.

I actually never knew that the word "thrash" was used before thrash metal. I guess you learn something new everyday. I feel uneasy using the word "thrashcore" since there is an electronic music genre known as "thrashcore." A lot of people have also called stuff like old Caliban and Heaven Shall Burn "thrashcore." I feel like I should call them pop metal, especially new Caliban, but I can't help that I like everything Heaven Shall Burn has put out. I guess I like 1 pop metal band, haha.

Also, while we're on the vast topic of genre abuse, I want to bring up grind. I can't really say for sure that Napalm Death was the absolute first grindcore band, but since they are pioneers and also one of the most important bands that go hand in hand with the inception of grindcore, I'm going to use them as an example. In the documentary DVD that came with the 20th anniversary edition of "Scum," several people detail how some metal elements were commonly used, even if Napalm Death were one of few to do so. Now, I have seen grindcore "purists," I guess you could say, swear up and down that grind is a sub-genre of punk and hardcore. But, if one of the first bands in grindcore took influence and elements from metal, is it really justifiable to say that grind is a sub-genre ONLY of punk and hardcore? Or are there too few grind bands on the metal side of things to accurately state that grind does in fact have metal elements?

I'm being such a nerd with music these days, but oh well. I have a thirst for knowledge, haha.

Most Eulogy Records disks say "For fans of Converge and Evergreen Terrace"
How is On Broken Wings like Converge???

I guess its an overall good marketing technique though.
A BDM fan picks up the Brutal Truth Disk and sees its for him he/she will buy it.

The only similarity I see between OBW and Converge is that they both suck. OOOOOH!!! Bada-bing bada-boom!

MarkFuckingRichards said:

ageed. I hate OBW, I think they blow goats. Similarly, Converge was pretty much always gay, especially once they started incorporating vocal processors on that Jane Doe disc - which I should add, blew aid infected goats.

When I used to post on Lambgoat a lot a few years ago, I was practically crucified for hating Converge and Bane at first. Then more and more people came out of the woodwork, admitting to hating both bands even though they acted like they loved them for fear of Lambgoat turning on them. Oh no, an ignorant metal/hardcore forum turning on someone?! The horror!

Though I do hate Converge, some of the music is really good, but the vocals destroy it 9 times out of 10. The only material I partially like enough to listen to more than once is the split with Agoraphobic Nosebleed and most of "You Fail Me."

MarkFuckingRichards said:

Yeah, so? There's electronic music called hardcore and speedcore too, that's not going to stop me from using the term hardcore to describe good old punk rock.



Well, if anything that's probably just an extreme retaliation since a lot of what people call "grindcore" these days has no punk/hardcore influence. I honestly think it draws more from punk/hardcore myself, but to say it has no metal influence at all is absurd. Stuff like that with no metal influence is what I see as powerviolence(which happens to be my forte).

Lamp said:<<MarkFuckingRichards said:<<I feel uneasy using the word "thrashcore" since there is an electronic music genre known as "thrashcore.">>

Yeah, so? There's electronic music called hardcore and speedcore too, that's not going to stop me from using the term hardcore to describe good old punk rock.

<<Now, I have seen grindcore "purists," I guess you could say, swear up and down that grind is a sub-genre of punk and hardcore. But, if one of the first bands in grindcore took influence and elements from metal, is it really justifiable to say that grind is a sub-genre ONLY of punk and hardcore? Or are there too few grind bands on the metal side of things to accurately state that grind does in fact have metal elements?>>

Well, if anything that's probably just an extreme retaliation since a lot of what people call "grindcore" these days has no punk/hardcore influence. I honestly think it draws more from punk/hardcore myself, but to say it has no metal influence at all is absurd. Stuff like that with no metal influence is what I see as powerviolence(which happens to be my forte).>>

Just making sure we're on somewhat of the same page with the grind debate. I've tried talking to people on this subject several times and almost no one ever recognizes the roots. Even if things change over time, there always has to be some set of initial guidelines (i.e. punk/hardcore elements). And I hear what you're saying on the thrashcore thing; having gone to Mass. Art for the first 2 years of college, I tried to avoid any discussions with the suffix "-core" since half the people there were all about noise (not noisecore, just fucking NOISE), and the other half were all about electronic music.

Next topic on Crossfire:

R & B!

Rhythm and blues, or R & B as it is popularly known, originated with artists such as Chuck Berry. How the fuck are 112, R. Kelly, Blackstreet, and other contemporary "R & B" artists called "R & B" if they have no relation to what rhythm and blues really is??? Fuck music, I'm going to rip my ear drums out and fill the canals with concrete.

I want to hear more of the blues, I dig Chuck Berry. Not saying Chuck's a blues artist but you know...

Yeah I hear ya. I grew up on blues and genres close to blues; I honestly think there are more real blues sub-genres than fake metal/hardcore sub-genres created on myspace. The greats are BB King (obviously), John Lee Hooker, Robert Johnson, etc., etc. I consider Stevie Ray Vaughan to be one of the best blues guitarists, and my favorite of all time, even though he was more of a rock n' roll artist. Check out Buckwheat Zydeico (sp?) if you want to hear some funky blues shiznit. Some girl from MA named Susan Tedeschi is pretty good as well.

My mom has a Susan Tedeschi CD, I don't really care for it.

Note that I am not into blues enough to mention many people not already mentioned or anything like that, and also that I am aware that there is nothing obscure about Jimi Hendrix, but Band Of Gypsys seems to get overlooked sometimes because it isn't AYE? and it's definitely the finest blues recording I've ever heard.

"Are You Experienced?" seems like the only Hendrix album ever made because that's the one with all the songs everyone knows, and no one ever wants to hear anything off of any of the other albums. That kind of reminds of when everyone thought Butthole Surfers were some awesome new band when "Electriclarryland" came out, even though it was there 13th album I believe, and it was one of the weakest.

And "Band Of Gypsys" is definitely awesome.

Yeah, AYE? isn't even in my top 3. Some of my friends are of the opinion that Jimi Hendrix is "meh" based one purple haze, fire, and foxy lady and refuse to give Band of Gypsies or First Rays of the New Rising Sun/whatever posthumous collection you prefer a listen. This belongs on that hatelist from a few days ago because it's way more than fake Led Zepplin fans.

Fuck yes, "First Rays Of The New Rising Sun" is awesome. I haven't listened to that in a long ass time. I'll have to break it out soon.

And another retarded Relapse moment: I picked up the new Nile CD, "Legacy Of The Catacombs" (just a collection CD w/DVD, not the new studio album) today and the sticker on that said "FOR FANS OF NILE." Are you fucking kidding me?

If Relapse had any sense, their stickers would say "For fans of The Beatles, Aerosmith, puppies, and cake."

I think they'd be safe enough with just puppies and cake.

MarkFuckingRichards said:

LOL

MarkFuckingRichards said:

This thread is now about the Butthole Surfers.



Did anyone else think "The Hole Truth... and Nothing Butt" was just the best thing since sliced bread? Live, B-sides and demos, oh mai oui.

I picked up Electriclarryland back when it came out and I knew nothing about music. There was a couple good songs but overall like it was stated above... pretty weak. I am interested in hearing the earlier stuff though. I'll have to check out "The Hole Truth.."

FuckIsMySignature said:

"Psychic... Powerless... Another Man's Sac" and "Locust Abortion Technician" are my two faves; YMMV.



Also, if anyone ever comes across the "The Lord is a Monkey" picture disc, it's fucking awesome - the version of the title song is better than the album version, and the b-side is tits.

"Oh, and next time you see your mom, be sure to tell her... SAAAATAAAN!"

"Hairway To Steven" was an instant classic.

The Black Dahlia Murder > Brutal Truth.


</lie>

I've decided that the IWEIPH CD is gonna be called 'For Fans Of The Black Dahlia Murder'

RichHorror said:

How 'bout "For Murderers of the Black Dahlia Fans"?

For Fans Of Bury Your Dead and the Nirvana Unplugged CD

Bury Your Kurt Cobain

MarkFuckingRichards said:

oh the ironing.

HAHAHAHAHAHA


Aaron wins the internet!

Niccolai said:

the_reverend said:

I don't really think it's 100% "ironing" if I admitted to being in an ATG rip-off band, haha. Thanks for the kind words though Rev, they really mean a lot to me, jerk! ::Sniffle sniffle::

MarkFuckingRichards said:

has anyone ever noticed that mark richards hair is always this perfectly sculpted coiffure?

my ex is a hairstylist, and I'm starting to realize my former band-mate must take great strides to keep that shit tizzzight.

pinch his fucking cheeks.

i own that shirt but not the album. i know, lame as shit.

There isn't much hair to sculpt, Murph, haha. The most attention my hair gets is 2 minutes to make sure I mat down the bedhead. My folicles know what their job is.

MarkFuckingRichards said:

packpedalling.

the cologne of the desperate man.

you vain motherfucker, i swear I'll catch you mid comb and expose this.

Combs are for women and sissypants.