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returntothepit >> discuss >> i don't think i've ever met a real goth by sphincter on Sep 18,2006 8:18pm
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toggletoggle post by sphincter at Sep 18,2006 8:18pm
Cuz all the goths i know don't even listen to anything remotely goth. Hot topic is not goth, nu metal isn't either, neither is marilyn manson.
Goth to me is : the cure, bauhaus, sisters of mercy, das ich, cruxshadows
blutengel well u get my fuckin idea.

Well i've met one but she toned down her style for college. Gaaahhh

Goth has/had nothing to do with metal in the first place. Unless ur thinkin of lacuna coil, danzig, cradle of filth, tristania,nightwish, well u get my idea

All the goths i've met listened to nu-metal or mislabled themselves
Goth is not emo goth is not black metal.

Unfortunately i think alot of faux goths go to goth clubs, gaah

Goths need to get a clue do sum fukkin research. I did and true goths aren't fond of mary manson nor are depressed or envy the popular crowd

Now who agrees with me?

Another thing when ppl say they like industrial they DONT' mean wumpscut skinny puppy, and u get my idea

Do u metallers get my drift



toggletoggle post by Kevord  at Sep 18,2006 8:21pm
I'm not in highschool so I have no idea what your talking about.



toggletoggle post by inf0terror at Sep 18,2006 8:23pm
I always thought that shit was gay.



toggletoggle post by Troll at Sep 18,2006 8:31pm
hahaha!!!!
Bauhaus and Nosferatu do kick ass though!
And don't forget Joy Division! The song "New Dawn Fades" is a bummer. Good Stuff!



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Sep 18,2006 8:51pm
sphincter said:


Well i've met one but she toned down her style for college. Gaaahhh


I met one and he was a faggot. Kid you not.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Sep 18,2006 9:02pm
I saw VNV Nation at the Axis with broken AC... sold out... it was all fat goth kids rubbing against each other.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Sep 18,2006 9:03pm



toggletoggle post by Dogmeat at Sep 18,2006 9:04pm
the_reverend said:
I saw VNV Nation at the Axis with broken AC... sold out... it was all fat goth kids rubbing against each other.



hahahaa, youre a funny fucker.



toggletoggle post by Dogmeat at Sep 18,2006 9:05pm
holy shit.. thats quite a crowd



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Sep 18,2006 9:14pm
yeah, looks like shit



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Sep 18,2006 9:30pm edited Sep 18,2006 9:31pm
sphincter said:
Cuz all the goths i know don't even listen to anything remotely goth. Hot topic is not goth, nu metal isn't either, neither is marilyn manson.
Goth to me is : the cure, bauhaus, sisters of mercy, das ich, cruxshadows
blutengel well u get my fuckin idea.

Well i've met one but she toned down her style for college. Gaaahhh

Goth has/had nothing to do with metal in the first place. Unless ur thinkin of lacuna coil, danzig, cradle of filth, tristania,nightwish, well u get my idea

All the goths i've met listened to nu-metal or mislabled themselves
Goth is not emo goth is not black metal.

Unfortunately i think alot of faux goths go to goth clubs, gaah

Goths need to get a clue do sum fukkin research. I did and true goths aren't fond of mary manson nor are depressed or envy the popular crowd

Now who agrees with me?

Another thing when ppl say they like industrial they DONT' mean wumpscut skinny puppy, and u get my idea

Do u metallers get my drift


I used to hang around a lot of goths, back when the real goths listened to the real gothic music, learned German and were all in University, and some of the real gothic music was actually good (and often indistinguishable from new wave).

Now they run start-up businesses, drive a Lexus or a minivan and they all have kids, and not much time to be depressed anymore.

The kids today just adopted the clothes and a faux pallor of depression, they are not the real deal. Like any commercialized sub-culture, the original intent is lost in the mist of mass acceptance.

Thank Burton, Gaiman, Marilyn Manson, and Depp.



toggletoggle post by xmikex at Sep 19,2006 8:43am
Sometimes I wear my Cut Throat hoodie to work. It's a black hoodie with white lettering with a C on one side and a T on the other and Cut Throat Boston over it. This guy at my work calls it my "gothic sweatshirt. " Every time I hear it all I see is red. "Ey, ey it's da gothic sweatshirt............gothic.......mosh pit.......all black..........yuk yuk yuk" and I want to explode.

So I guess I can understand where you're coming from.



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Sep 19,2006 11:33am
If they want to dress goth, they don't haveto absoarb every shitty aspect of the shitty lifestyle and listen to gothic music. They can have their orgy CDs if it so pleases them as far as I'm concerned.

I was never one to challenge someone's 'gothhood'.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Sep 19,2006 12:17pm
Some of the gothic music was pretty good.



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toggletoggle post by Likety_Split at Sep 19,2006 1:34pm
Goth music is fuckin' queer. Ohhh...Look at me...I'm depressed and act all sullen. Maybe you'd be a little happier without all the black eyeliner and lipstick. I gotta tip for ya...start doing drugs; solves all yoir problems.



toggletoggle post by CaptainCleanoff at Sep 19,2006 2:00pm edited Sep 19,2006 2:00pm


Fer real



toggletoggle post by Likety_Split at Sep 19,2006 2:06pm
smiling is not goth.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Sep 19,2006 2:11pm
Likety_Split said:
Goth music is fuckin' queer. Ohhh...Look at me...I'm depressed and act all sullen. Maybe you'd be a little happier without all the black eyeliner and lipstick. I gotta tip for ya...start doing drugs; solves all yoir problems.


That's actually not what goth music was originally about. Another uninformed stereotype. Better be careful, there's probably a black guy stealing your car stereo right now and an Indian about to receive your outsourced job.



toggletoggle post by Likety_Split at Sep 19,2006 2:17pm
you got a point. i just remember these kids in the 90's that all tried to out-goth each other and acted so lethargic and depressed that you wanted to put your fist through thier necks. kind of like the emo kids today. i guess they'll always be a fad for disillusioned kids to try and set themselves apart.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Sep 19,2006 2:19pm
Heh, I was just being a dick. No, you are right, the 90s kids aren't really goths. They got their goth fix sucking at the teat of Winona Ryder and Tim Burton movies (not that I don't like the movies).

Bauhaus. Siouxsie and the Banshees. Laether Strip. Mephisto Walz. The Cure. This is some of the original goth.



toggletoggle post by Likety_Split at Sep 19,2006 2:21pm
i had a cure phase in high school. they were fuckin great. god that was depressing music.



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Sep 19,2006 2:22pm edited Sep 19,2006 2:22pm
Dude you sound like a strung out punk rocker ranting about how 'The Ramones aren't REAL punk rawk!'



toggletoggle post by Likety_Split at Sep 19,2006 2:24pm
they're not



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Sep 19,2006 2:25pm
The Ramones ARE real punk rock, so, no.

I don't mean to sound strung out, bro, I just loathe kiddy revisionist bullshit, otherwise I'd be running around with my Slipknot and Trivium lunchboxes calling them 'metal'. That would go over well.



toggletoggle post by xanonymousx at Sep 19,2006 2:26pm
the_reverend said:



that picture was posted a lot in the past years.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Sep 19,2006 2:28pm
The synthpop/EBM scene has taken over the entire 'goth' subculture, a lot of the VNV fans aren't necessarily goths though (gamers, rivets, poppers, emos, etc).



toggletoggle post by Likety_Split at Sep 19,2006 2:30pm
i'd give my left nut for half of that crowd.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Sep 19,2006 2:31pm
One of the reason the EBM shows draw well is because there are so few of them. Lot of kids at Umass were into VNV/Wumpscut/etc while I was there, all would religiously attend their performances.



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Sep 19,2006 2:32pm edited Sep 19,2006 2:32pm
I'd bust my left nut all over half of that crowd.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Sep 19,2006 2:33pm edited Sep 19,2006 2:38pm
That would be quite a nut. Imagine what the butterbank would give you for a piece of that?



toggletoggle post by niccolai   at Sep 19,2006 2:42pm edited Sep 19,2006 2:42pm
I already tried that. They said something about adds and hecipitas or something.. I wasn't really paying attention. So I guess I'll haveto take my baby batter elseware.



toggletoggle post by pam   at Sep 19,2006 3:56pm
I like the occasional goth band, I LOVE darkwave. I've met a lot of legit goths, they're usually even more annoying and pretentious than the mall goths.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Sep 19,2006 3:57pm
More pretentious, definitely, since even a naked mole rat is more pretentious than a mall goth. More annoying? Not a chance in hell.



toggletoggle post by sphincter at Sep 19,2006 4:04pm
darkwave is good, ebm is good vnv nation is good. I like rivets i want to meet more, but there really aren't any at middlesex community college in bedford, there aren't alot of metallers there either i hate mcc i've been there for 3 years. Im not in hi skool, and the ramones are real punk



toggletoggle post by pam   at Sep 19,2006 4:08pm
DrinkHardThrashHard said:
More pretentious, definitely, since even a naked mole rat is more pretentious than a mall goth. More annoying? Not a chance in hell.


You've obviously never been to Man Ray.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Sep 19,2006 4:19pm edited Sep 19,2006 4:20pm
pam said:
DrinkHardThrashHard said:
More pretentious, definitely, since even a naked mole rat is more pretentious than a mall goth. More annoying? Not a chance in hell.


You've obviously never been to Man Ray.


Oh yes, yes I have. 100% annoying there, I agree with you on that.

A good place to meet freaky or desperate people who dress the dress and want to get laid, a poor place to meet cool goths (who have little need or desire for a social circus like the Man Ray). Still, I've gotten into a lot better conversations at Man Ray, Hell, or Haven than at the mall.

We need a place like The Bank here.





toggletoggle post by anonymous at Sep 19,2006 6:31pm
this guy needs to get a dictionary



toggletoggle post by xanonymousx at Sep 19,2006 6:35pm
http://www.myspace.com/deathcult__order
is this girl goth or hot topic?



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Sep 19,2006 6:36pm
xanonymousx said:
http://www.myspace.com/deathcult__order
is this girl goth or hot topic?


niggoth



toggletoggle post by Greenburgstein at Sep 20,2006 12:10am
anonymous said:
xanonymousx said:
http://www.myspace.com/deathcult__order
is this girl goth or hot topic?


niggoth


hahaaa thats is funny.you damned racist



toggletoggle post by vomitthesoul  at Sep 20,2006 12:30am
Ive never met a hot chick who liked Metal that wasnt taken.And if their single, their fat and ugly



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toggletoggle post by Strep_Cunt  at Sep 20,2006 2:56am
DrinkHardThrashHard said:
Heh, I was just being a dick. No, you are right, the 90s kids aren't really goths. They got their goth fix sucking at the teat of Winona Ryder and Tim Burton movies (not that I don't like the movies).

Bauhaus. Siouxsie and the Banshees. Laether Strip. Mephisto Walz. The Cure. This is some of the original goth.


Siouxsie and Mephisto...the noisy Bari Bari guitars and Budgie rhythms are huge influences of mine. Good to see someone acknowledges the good shit.



toggletoggle post by Strep_Cunt  at Sep 20,2006 2:59am
also, gotta tip my hat to ROBIN GUTHRIE and the genius COCTEAU TWINS.



toggletoggle post by pam   at Sep 20,2006 10:29am
DrinkHardThrashHard said:
pam said:
DrinkHardThrashHard said:
More pretentious, definitely, since even a naked mole rat is more pretentious than a mall goth. More annoying? Not a chance in hell.


You've obviously never been to Man Ray.


Oh yes, yes I have. 100% annoying there, I agree with you on that.

A good place to meet freaky or desperate people who dress the dress and want to get laid, a poor place to meet cool goths (who have little need or desire for a social circus like the Man Ray). Still, I've gotten into a lot better conversations at Man Ray, Hell, or Haven than at the mall.


Point taken.



toggletoggle post by Samantha at Sep 20,2006 10:46am
I definitely agree with this post, and it's exactly the reason why I haven't been to a goth club in years. I got really annoyed with the pretentious people who only play dress up as a way to get laid on the weekends. Most of them had no clue who half of the goth bands were that I would mention in casual conversation. Besides, I'm too much of a crazy bitch for most of those people to handle. They also don't share my morbid sense of humor or my love of black metal and death metal... and none of them would ever be caught drinking beer and screaming Einherjer lyrics.

Some real goth bands that I actually listen to: The Sisters of Mercy, Bauhaus, London After Midnight, Autumn (and I'm not talking about that European doom metal band here... I'm talking about the Autumn from the U.S. that plays goth), Mors Syphilitica, Switchblade Symphony, Clan of Xymox, Sunshine Blind, Corpus Delicti, etc.



toggletoggle post by sphincter at Sep 20,2006 3:09pm
thanx i wanna party with u guys. Another thing is alot of goth kids like nightmare b4 xmas and beetlejuice, they think its goth but, those are fuckin kids movies. Goth movies to me are hellraiser and saw.

Oh, samntha i have a clan of xymox album. Strep cunt has some good points too

Hot topic sux. The last time i was in there no one not even the workers had heard of bauhaus, gg allin or even skinny puppy.

TIME TO START THE TRUE GOTH REVOLUTION



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Sep 20,2006 3:13pm
Samantha said:
I definitely agree with this post, and it's exactly the reason why I haven't been to a goth club in years. I got really annoyed with the pretentious people who only play dress up as a way to get laid on the weekends. Most of them had no clue who half of the goth bands were that I would mention in casual conversation. Besides, I'm too much of a crazy bitch for most of those people to handle. They also don't share my morbid sense of humor or my love of black metal and death metal... and none of them would ever be caught drinking beer and screaming Einherjer lyrics.

Some real goth bands that I actually listen to: The Sisters of Mercy, Bauhaus, London After Midnight, Autumn (and I'm not talking about that European doom metal band here... I'm talking about the Autumn from the U.S. that plays goth), Mors Syphilitica, Switchblade Symphony, Clan of Xymox, Sunshine Blind, Corpus Delicti, etc.


A lot of awesome bands on that list, and you can't go wrong screaming Einherjer lyrics (Dreamstorm maybe?).



toggletoggle post by MR. sphincter at Sep 20,2006 3:20pm
xanonymousx said:
http://www.myspace.com/deathcult__order
is this girl goth or hot topic?


goth , def and she likes hocico. MEXI-industrial



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Sep 20,2006 3:23pm
Dutch too.



toggletoggle post by Dissector   at Sep 20,2006 3:26pm
I like some goth music. Pretty much all I listen to as far as goth is concerned has already been mentioned. The Cure, Bauhaus, Siouxsie, etc.



toggletoggle post by MR. sphincter at Sep 20,2006 3:27pm
no hocico is mexi-industrial, she is black dutch. Hocico is good, in fact the vox sound blak-metalish



toggletoggle post by Troll at Sep 20,2006 4:04pm
watch "24 Hour Party People"



toggletoggle post by Troll at Sep 20,2006 4:07pm
I always described Samhain as goth?!?!
Glenn may have become a laughable punching bag to some in recent years, but he's made some good art in my opinion.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Sep 20,2006 4:19pm
I can hear that, sort of a gothic punk.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Sep 20,2006 4:20pm
MR. sphincter said:
no hocico is mexi-industrial, she is black dutch. Hocico is good, in fact the vox sound blak-metalish


Oh I understood that, I was just remarking that she was Dutch, which is hot. (I am Dutch-American).



toggletoggle post by Samantha at Sep 20,2006 4:52pm
sphincter said:
Oh, samntha i have a clan of xymox album.


Their albums can be hard to find. I actually found one of their CDs in the used section at Newbury Comics the other day. I also found Darkthrone's Under a Funeral Moon. Needless to say, I bought both. Who the hell would sell such good stuff?

As far as I'm concerned, the goth scene is dead. Most of the real goths got bored with it a long time ago, and the ones who still hang around are mostly attention whores who no one ever wanted to hang out with in the first place.




toggletoggle post by Troll at Sep 20,2006 5:03pm
so whats your sign baby?



toggletoggle post by Troll at Sep 20,2006 5:05pm
lemme guess....




toggletoggle post by Samantha at Sep 20,2006 5:07pm
How about an "I have a boyfriend" sign?



toggletoggle post by Troll at Sep 20,2006 5:10pm
he likes em' chunky eh?



toggletoggle post by Troll at Sep 20,2006 5:11pm
I like big girls too



toggletoggle post by Samantha at Sep 20,2006 5:11pm
No, but apparently you do.



toggletoggle post by Troll at Sep 20,2006 5:14pm edited Sep 20,2006 5:15pm
I love em'! I can drink any fat ugly bitch down to a size 4 and go to town on there chonch with no hesitation.



toggletoggle post by CaptainCleanoff at Sep 20,2006 5:14pm
Troll said:
I love em'! I can drink any fat ugly bitch down to a size 4 and go to town on there chonch with no hesitation.

HA!




toggletoggle post by Samantha at Sep 20,2006 5:14pm
Wow. Now, I know why you picked such an appropriate name for yourself.



toggletoggle post by Troll at Sep 20,2006 5:16pm
Its cause I live under a bridge baby.



toggletoggle post by espresso at Sep 21,2006 4:55pm edited Sep 21,2006 4:56pm
Personally I've never met anyone claiming to be goth.

I've met people who listen to Bauhaus, The Sisters Of Mercy, The Cure... and various other gothic bands, however they never claim the lable, and they might be depressed from time to time, but they're quite down to earth and have a great sense of humour.

I myself listen to a lot of Bauhaus, The Cure... but I mix up my "standard" goth tunes with a lot of metal and darkwave.

I don't think there is such a thing as a real goth... they're all gone, gone, gone.



toggletoggle post by MR. sphincter at Oct 1,2006 4:25pm
u guys are the experts, the truth has been told



toggletoggle post by Kevord  at Oct 1,2006 4:27pm
MR. sphincter said:
u guys are the experts, the truth has been told


Wow, you post pointless shit.



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