that name dropper is back, email him at will!!!
All i did was ask him what would happen if we didnt sell any tickets to his shitty shows.

HIM- On 3/25/06, Masseventsplan@aol.com <Masseventsplan@aol.com> wrote:
>
> No offense but if you can't sell ten $10 tickets you shouldn't be playing
> anyway. If you can't sell thirty $10 tickets I would consider a new line of
> work, or maybe picking up a new hobby. I have never heard anyone ask this
> before, to be completely honest with you. Please do not take this the wrong
> way, as a lot of people would because you can't hear the tone I use in a
> letter, but are you serious? I want bands that can get thirty people in the
> room. 30!!!!! That's all. I am used to band being worried about selling 150
> tickets for $30 each. I made the tickets $10 each, and only put 30 out there
> so that any and all bands....no matter how long they have been playing would
> be able to sell all the tickets, and make $200 for themselves. Sick thing
> is, you are asking about what happens if you can't sell 10 tickets. Think of
> it like this man....if you are telling me you have to worry about 5 people
> selling ten tickets ( two tickets each man) then you guys would HAVE to be
> the absolute worst band to ever try to play a riff. You can't find two
> people each person that want to see you play????? Are you kidding me? Please
> tell me this was all a joke to get me worked up, and waste my time. Why do
> you have an email address for your booking if you people can't sell tickets?
> Why would ANYONE want to put a band in their venue if the band is only going
> to be playing for other bands, and a couple of girlfriends. No need to
> respond if you really think you can't sell 30 tickets. The bands that I have
> been responsible for, the bands that would not have made it if it were not
> for the help of myself or my friends make my time far more valuable than
> $100, and that's all I have asked for. Think of bands such as Godsmack, and
> Stained. They played at my nightclub because people in my Motorcycle Club
> helped these guys when there was only 30 people in the room. Your talking to
> someone who rubs elbows with Metallica, and spent Easter with Sevendust.
> Please don't waste my time.

ME-
dude, what the fuck is your problem? first of all, i dont care who you rub elbows with, and second, we are no nu-metal, metalcore band with a hundred friends that go because they are friends with them. i remember you from an email i got before, and friends of mine got before too, so you dropped all the same names, and story you did before, so dude, dont waste MY time, it was a fucking question, now, you dont know if i could sell 30 0r 100 tickets, and maybe its you that needs a hobby, try masterbating, it will lower the the blood-presure. dick.

what a douche. who cares about rubbing ballbags with gay metallica and spending easter with crappy sevendust?

that's pretty funny, but it doesn't change the fact that you can't sell 10 tickets does it?

anonymous said:

haha

The sad part is the original nu-metal loving email was a lot wittier and better thought out than the "harsh" reply.

What band is this about?

I forgot about that dood.
he's so much bigger and better than me.
I mean, I just spent easter with my girlfriend and family. silly me.

Wait, when was Easter?

Joe/NotCommon said:

SACRELIGION

Easter is like a month away.

Aaron is a Slider.

I love this thread.

Sliding isn't through time position.
it's through time lines.

I'm stealing your lunch money tonight.

use it to buy a ticket to this poor guys show,,,thats 1 down 9 to go

I'll use it to buy pills for this poor guy's throat, thanks.

oh is that your band? oops,eheheh

Nope. I just like drugs.

here's a reference for you:
http://www.southparkstudios.com/downloads/display_sound.php?ep_number=806&ep_name=Goobacks&snd=http://images.southparkstudios.com/media/sounds/806/STANDINGATTHETIMEPORTAL.wav&snd_name=Erin,%20I'm%20standing%20at%20the%20time%20portal%20and%20they%20say%20it's%20terminator%20rules!

Way to link it, Slick.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/downloads/...%20say%20it's%20terminator%20rules!

to rich:
http://www.southparkstudios.com/downloads/...Suck%20my%20balls...%20Kyle.&tab=30

My cock is huge, but I still only rub elbows with stupid whores.

To Aaron: I love you.

how many regular bands on this site could honestly sell 10 tickets to a show without a national headliner?

maybe 2.

Way more then 2.

10 tickets is really not that much at all.

However, making bands sell tickets is stupid.

It depends on the bill. $10 for 4 or 5 local bands is too much to bug your friends to pay, unless 1 or 2 are "headliner quality", or what have you.

Either way, mandatory ticket selling/pay-to-play shit is for lazy promoters, and it'll always be a shady, amateur-ish tactic. There could be ways for it to work in a co-operative fashion, but generally it's just a way of suckering bands into doing legwork that's not their job.

It was an email for The Accursed, who could easily sell 10 tickets but suspected this guy was one of those lazy promoters, so in reply to the ORIGINAL email that said NEVER PAY TO PLAY HERE, Jon thought it was ironic that if, say, you didn't sell the tickets, you would be paying to play.

So all of you can eat it.

BestialOnslaught said:

if it's not their job who the hell's job is it! we aren't exactly talking clash of the titans tour here,most of these bands are lucky to even find a place to play music that NOONE is going to come and see,i am not saying the promoters shouldn't do anything to help but it's EVEYONE involved in the show's responsibility to get as many folks there as they can,fucking spoiled,selfish,lazy, kids!you all make me sick,,

NEWSFLASH, just because you got your four best friends in a band and wrote some songs doesn't entitle you to jack shit,,maybe this kind of attitude is the reason so few bands from new england ever go anywhere?

BestialOnslaught said:

that doesn't make any sense and it's funny to me you had to edit that in

MAYBE THE SCENE HAS TOO MANY PEOPLE
EXERCISING THEIR DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS
TO HAVE SOUND-A-LIKE BANDS

LIKE ALL THE GARBAGE ON BESTIAL ANALASSAULT'S LABEL ;)

It is a band's job to help spread the word, show up, and play. Selling tickets is retarded, buying tickets at the door is 10,000 times more convienent than tracking down a band member to buy them from. The only people that will make that extra effort are friends, and you can't always pack a place with friends.

Not to mention, the club this ASSHOLE "promotes" is in New Hampshire. If you don't even live in the state your chances of selling 30 tickets are slim.

There is nothing reasonable about clubs making bands sell tickets. It's a pointless thing for morons like this guy to hold over band's heads. But I guess he earned that right, dining with the mighty SEVENDUST.

what was that? hey did you hear that? was that a womans voice? talking about music? nahh,couldn't of been,

he spelled Staind wrong. I guess when you're bros, you can do shit like that.

anonymous said:

wow, good job responding like a child to a set of comments that pretty much prove you wrong....way to be sexist instead of trying to make any sort of point.

loser.

anonymous said:

i already made my point,and i am not wrong,and if you can't detect sarcasm you're the loser.

loser

whoops, you meant to quote me.

anonymous said:if it's not their job who the hell's job is it! we aren't exactly talking clash of the titans tour here,most of these bands are lucky to even find a place to play music that NOONE is going to come and see,i am not saying the promoters shouldn't do anything to help but it's EVEYONE involved in the show's responsibility to get as many folks there as they can,fucking spoiled,selfish,lazy, kids!you all make me sick,,

NEWSFLASH, just because you got your four best friends in a band and wrote some songs doesn't entitle you to jack shit,,maybe this kind of attitude is the reason so few bands from new england ever go anywhere?>>


that was my point..but since we are on the topic,women have no business speaking about anything other than oven cleaner at any given time,unless their opinion is asked for,,

NEWSFLASH, just because you got your four best friends in a band and wrote some songs doesn't entitle you to jack shit,,maybe this kind of attitude is the reason so few bands from new england ever go anywhere?>>

wow what a moron....almost every band these days that are awesome come from MA or the rest of NE

oh yeah,theres just so many national acts from new england,it's just staggering, the sheer number of big n.e. bands these days

people here aren't complaining because they have to do work to get people to come to show. No band would ever claim here that they don't have a responsibility to promote their own shit if they want to succeed or they want the show to succeed. It's just that, from experience of many people here, requiring local bands to sell tickets seems to have a direct correlation to a promoter who is lazy and doesn't put his or her effort in. When people check in and question the idea of selling tickets they are trying to feel you out and figure out if you are one of those lazy promoters. The response of calling them ridiculous for asking the question and then the jump to name dropping bullshit is uncalled for.

that's all for now

you also probably have a different opinion of what a local band wants to acheive (in terms of what you consider a "national band")...you'd be surprised by how many bands on this board are not looking to be the next biggest rock gods in the world...I would hope that number is small because that attitude leads to crappy art.

"s kind of attitude is the reason so few bands from new england ever go anywhere?"

that person has obviously missed every "metal" tour that has come around with 90% new england bands. hardcore too. a lot of labels looking to sign bands like shadows fall, kill switch engage, unearth, etc. like those bands or not they are HUGE and are from new england. these days almost any ne band with a breakdown and harmonic guitars can tour it up big time.

sorry,but i don't consider hardcore to be music! so it doesn't count

shadows fall sucks too

WE HAVE 100,000 BANDS IN USA
3 ARE GOOD
IT'S LIKE "WHERE'S WALDO" WITH MUSIC

AND ANONYMOUS,
DO YOU MEAN HARDCORE,
OR EMO?

I THINK YOU MEAN EMO

i mean everything! i am a miserable,old,grumpy man!

infoterror said:

do you think anywhere else is different?

anonymous said:

shut up and clean my oven bitch

litacore said:

bahahahaha,,you just tell me where to sign id love to clean your "oven" sweettits..

sign in first UNLESS you're scared to do so

then tattoo GIRL POWER onto your forehead

then get a partial lobotomy, oops you already did

sacreligion said:

It doesn't make sense cause you're slow and I had to edit it to make it clear I was replying to Joe.

litacore said:

oh baby don't be so cruel,i know you want me

anonymous said:

Ha...

Newsflash... Just cause you woke up one morning and decided to be a "promoter" doesn't make you any less of a scumbag if you pawn off any/all financial risk of the position on the bands you book.

i didnt say it did,,i said that they should be thankful they even have a place who will let them play at all,regardless of promotion or the excrutiatingly difficult task of selling a few tickets

sacreligion is awesome

emo? I think they mean homo.

and sacreligion is nu-metal? fuck them.

This thread COULD have been constructive if:

1) someone actually said who/what club this was
2) Rev hadn't broken his own board with a link that was too long
3) anyone had the common sense to point out that most bands are
interested in exposing themselves to OTHER bands followings, and
broadening thier fan-base. I could play in front of my 30 friends in
my own rehearsal space and keep 100% of ticket sales.

It could have been more constructive without the sexist bullshit too, but hey.

Anyways, it's not a hell of a lot of people, but we had around 80 people at our cd release show. But if we had to sell 80 tickets in order to open for a bigger act, we wouldn't get a quarter of that. People want to pay at the door. That's just how it is. Hell, we could have opened for Green Carnation, but they wanted us to sell 75 tickets. I'm guessing that the total crowd wasn't more than 100 for that show, so if you bring more people than the headliner, you're giving them more exposure instead of it being the other way around.

Bottom line: pay to play puts more pressure on the bands than it's worth, unless it's a golden opportunity. For extreme metal tours? Fuck it.

I don't know of any bands having trouble finding places to play, and making them sell tickets or pay to play is sort of ridiculous since the band is the one performing a task for the promoter. Without bands to play shows, then you are out of a job. Would you pay money to go work at your job hoping you impress someone there so that you can get to work another day for free?

If you are booking bigger bands, then the idea of relying on the local opening acts to bring in all the people is stupid and lazy and you might as well only book the local bands. This sort of strategy is what destroyed Jarrod's place in Attleboro and will in the end destroy whatever club this is happening at.

I've been booking shows for like 6 years or something and I like to think I know a little something about it and everyone I've seen who has made bands selll tickets or pay to play has vanished because the reality of the situation is the bands do not need you if you aren't helping them.

Pay to play is the dumbest, weakest shit ever. The End.

well,if joe not common says so...

truth has been told by the last 2 posts. one hand washes the other and frankly i'd rather play a basement show than sell tickets and pay to play one of these shitdick "fests" with that hackjob ticket scam.
im setting up a 2 day fest here where i plan on selling beer at $1 per cup. now if you get a half barrel of bud and sell $1 beers, you about double your money back. im sure theres some people who arent bitch about life and have no qualms illegally selling booze. this method has the potential to send all bands home with a full gas tank if the promoter actually promotes and does his job. to say you NEED to have bands sell tickets just tells me you dont know what the fuck you're doing and your fest is gonna suck.

I don't see what the big deal is. The dude set ground rules from the begining that if you want to play the show, you have to sell X amount of tickets. You can't/don't want to, so why did you take the show?

You can all sit around and cry and complain and moan about having to do the "legwork," but it is EVERYONE's responsibility to promote and sell the show. If five bands play and each bring 30 on their own, that should be 120 people who may not know who your band is watching. I understand it can be hard/frustrating selling tickets in advance, but if those are the rules, then those are the rules. Otherwise, don't take the show. It's pretty simple.

Bands shouldn't just post a couple messages on MySpace, your website and/or even this board and expect people to just show up, and if that is all you're doing, then you have no right to bitch when no one shows up. The promoter should be doing all of that plus more, I agree. But it's a two way street. If you expect the promoter to do ALL of the work, then obviously you don't take your band very seriously...

I could sit here and argue with you all day, but please tell me one band who made it big by paying to play and selling tickets to open slightly bigger shows?

In a music scene, alot of the people only see each other at shows so selling tickets to your fans is not as easy as you might think because you won't see them until that show happens.

Also, if a promoter pays attention, bands will play with other bands whose fans will like the other bands, which will happen less if bands are just clumped together on random bills because they paid for it.

I got an email today too:
"got out of hand if Faggot had not stopped the rain of money by suddenly blowing into the air. Two young men, grinning purposefully, left their seats and made straight for the bar. A loud buzz filled the theatre : the audience was galvanised with excitement and in an effort to control the situation Bengalsky stirred himself and appeared on stage. With a tremendous effort of self-mastery he went through his habitual motion of washing his hands and in his most powerful voice began: 'We have just seen, ladies and gentlemen, a case of so-called mass hypnosis. A purely scientific experiment, demonstrating better than anything else that there is nothing supernatural about magic. We shall ask Maestro Woland to show us how he did that experiment. You will now see, ladies and gentlemen, how those apparent banknotes will vanish as suddenly as they appeared.' He began to clap, but he was alone. A confident smile appeared on his face, but the look in his eyes was one of entreaty. The audience did not care for Bengalsky's speech. Faggot broke mnh sigiui l hf gjhmiih i hshq ij huiiho ilipgf fngljs fmfpfq sdjksdfsdfsdlgkj sdflkjsdf lksdjfsdfsdf"

I love those.

Joe/NotCommon said:

No, I agree. There has to be some middle ground, like expecting a band to bring X amount of people, and making tickets available before the show. But as a promoter, which I know you are, I would find it hard to believe that you would book bands that expected to just show up and play.

Everyone wants to make a buck, and this dude took the tactic of requiring tickets to be sold up front. If he was unclear on that, then shame on him, but if the band took the show knowing they had to sell X amount of tickets, then they really don't have anything to cry about...

I think the point of this thread is that this dude sends the same story of easter lunch with sevendust to everyone every time people ask him about anything.
average convo:
"hey guy, what's up?!"
"nothing right now, but I did have easter lunch with sevendust so that I just said is that much more important"
"um.. ok dude, sevendust sucks"
"you obviously are never going to make it big."

hahahahaha

Joe/NotCommon said:

Metallica
Sevendust
Godsmack
Anthrax
Megadeth
Poison
Ratt
Motley Crue
etc...

Jesus, I could give a list of thousands, joe, but I just woke up.

You may have been booking shows for 6 years, but you've obviously
never been on the west coast. I don't agree with pay to play either,
but out there it's pretty much standard procedure.

Maybe pay to play is standard on the west coast but did paying to play west coast gigs really break metallica and godsmack or whoever?

yes.

Well, godsmack did it on the east coast with the locobazooka appearances.

However, the other bands I mentioned DID end up getting signed off of shows
where they sold tickets or paid to play, and there were a&r reps present.

Again, out there it's s.o.p., and there's a reason bands do it.

Locobazooka is a different story then paying to play on a random Exodus show, or something like SXSW or whatever where tons of A&R reps and other industry people are going to be present.

However, the NEMO convention up here is a total rip off and I would never support it.

Joe/NotCommon said:

Agreed

i heard pillory got sign by paying to UL

the_reverend said:



No. We used our sexual charms to get signed.

raping your way to the top again?

You mean raping our way to thier BOTTOM, right?

eeew, that was bad.

its been my experience that the quality of the pay to play shows is generally lower. theres been a few of these events which are just local bands, and i think these types of backwoods events can benifit from my idea before. who cares what they do on the west coast? are you gonna contract aids and turn queer now?

Sinislazy said:

there were 30 people at that show

CTborderpatrol said:

ArrowHead nli said:

that is rapping, not raping.

King Gary and I are gonna do a rap battle cd, in hopes of flaming a war between boston and philly rappers. I am gonna lyrically dis his label.

And he's going to have sex with whatever girl you're talking to at the time.

another classic rich horror post

JayTUS nli said:

No, no, no. Shame on him for invoking pay-to-play tactics, no matter how up front he might have been. And shame on any bands that work with him and help keep promoters like this in business. A guy makes a few phonecalls and emails to set up a show and is somehow entitled to have the opening bands suddenly shell out all the headliner's guarantee up front so he takes on no financial risk? He's entitled to sit back and make the bands do all the flyering and ticket selling, then to grab a piece of the back-end if the show does well? How exactly is he doing any promoting work, if that is the case?

It is most definitely the job of bands to try to get their friends, acquaintances and fans in the door when they play, on an implied level. Their actual job IS to show up and play though, the promoter's actual job is to supply financial guarantees and create public awareness about the event, the venue's job is to supply advance tickets if it's the kind of show where that's necessary. Of course it's in the best interest of bands, especially in, say, the underground Metal scene, to get as many people in the door as possible, but in traditional performance industry terms, show promotion really does not fall under the job description of performers.

Try to paint any face on it you like, pay-to-play will still always be for FUCKING SCUMBAGS.

Agreed. Fuck pay to play. Then again, you need to get into some different genres: there's too many bands here for any to stand out.

JayTUS nli said:


I understand your point. In this particular case however, it INITIAL email this jackass sends out makes no mention of tickets, promises NEVER PAY TO PLAY, and The Accursed did not accept the show, they asked questions first because they suspected this was the same schmuck they'd heard from before. When the second email came, that's when the ticket situation came up. The guy wanted 100 dollars up front for 30 tickets. UP FRONT.

How this got twisted into a bands being lazy/can't sell tickets thread I have no idea.

Oh and for that pussy anon above, when you get some hair on your sack and sign in, we'll talk.

when you shave the hair off your upper lip,i'll sign in.and then we can talk ..deal?

whatever. pussy.

pam nli said:

shouldn't you be vacuuming or cleaning something?

Shouldn't you be getting laid, for the first time?

i'm married,so unfortunately i got laid for the last time,some time ago..but my floors sparkle and you could eat maple walnut icecream out of my toilet,she's a good woman,,knows her place

she's either a dumb cunt, or fucking your friends behind your back. sorry.

well,either way she know's when to shut her numb cunt mouth...

me and pam..a love story
http://www.bangedup.com/post.php?media=3285

anonymous said:

is your wife's mouth numb from sucking your friends' cocks?

anonymous said:

*on the floor in stitches*
Wow!
That would've been a perfect ending to this thread till I decided to.....

lol !!!nevermind

pam said:

I feel like a proud papa.

i'm naming my firstborn after rich

You're naming your firstborn Disgusting Drug Addict?

sorry that is taken allready

i'll name my kid snorty

haha!

Do fags email you often?

What's a good spot to advertise?

NewBedfordMen.com

i'm spread eagle on that site. find me.

Ain't that the truth.

I think it's funny when men don't realize that when their girls stops fucking them, she's fucking someone else.

Wow. I got cheated on for like seven months then.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

anonymous said:

bump for pam

pam said:

Its funny when girls don't realize the the reverse is true as well.

Any band that plays pay to play shows deserves all the bad crap that's going to happen to them. Can't really get mad at scumbag promoters trying to scam a buck off some stupid kids. If no bands went along with it, it wouldn't exist.

There are so many venues around here that have normal booking policies that I don't get why any band would even t hink about selling tickets.

Josh_Martin said:

No kidding, even WHILE they are fucking their girls.

Jon got another email from this douche bag!!!! its awesome!!!!!

Hey fuck face I will end your pathetic little career before it starts. I KNOW YOU CANT SELL 300 TICKETS. If you could you wouldn't be worried about 10 tickets. Ten....let me say it again TEN TICKETS. It's bands like yours that give the rest of the hard working bands a bad name. It's people like you that waste important peoples time ( ME ). You claim to be able to bring in all these people, come play night there are 10 people in the place. 5 are band members, 2 are bar tenders, 1 is the lead singers girlfriend who is pissed because she has to be there and would rather be painting her nails, and don't forget the janitor. You were worried about ten tickets. You pathetic nothing. First off I couldn't give a fuck face less if you and friends got the same letter before....IT IS AN EMAIL BLAST MIND YOU!!! And yes I did drop the names of those people....because they constantly drop mine when they want people to impressed with the fact that they know me because it just might get them somewhere, they drop my name....and when I think some teeny tiny local band might be ga ga over them, maybe I'll drop the name. After all you should be asking who I have worked with...if you knew what you were doing. Then I would have told you. DUDE! So to answer your question what my problem is, it's with bands, and people such as you and yours. Bands that want to be friends with this one and that one, yet they think they have made it already. Bands that ask stupid questions like " If we can't sell the ten tickets do we have to pay you"? Yes you have to pay me you inconsiderate, want everyone else to do the work for you, punk!! The reason I lowered my price is because I want to put a couple of other people out of business. It's only costing you $100 to work with someone the likes of me AND YOU QUESTION THAT???? And you ( a band who can't sell ten tickets ) have the nerve to tell me you don't care who I rub elbows with. That's my resume you fucking dope! As for my hobbies you little fuck ( not that I need to explain) I run 4 businesses, as well as boxing, Small circle jujitsu, and formerly one of the first ever to fight in MMA ( namely International Fighting Championships) not to mention being a member of the worlds largest most notorious motorcycle club. So I will be sure to watch for your up and coming shows, and will be sure to POP in and see if I can find your skinny little cowardly ass, and we can have a POP or two. Maybe 20 or 30. So before you start rambling on again son you better know your role. You are the gum on the shoes of us important people, that make a difference. I tried to help you, and you are going to get stupid with that flap jack of yours. I'll see at one of your shows man. We will see if you sell 300 tickets, or 100 tickets, or if you just sit there watching the Janitor hit on your girlfriend, and offer to buy her drinks from two of the 8 remaining people in the place. Just remember every time you play, you just might have to answer to someone you pissed off.

Josh_Martin said:

Yes it is, goes both ways. Hasn't happened to me though.

I love seeing people lose their fucking mind in e-mail form.

he couldn't give a fuck face less and he would have told you. DUDE! also, he'll have a POP or two if you get stupid with that flap jack of yours.

if this guy ever tries to get tough at a show, rich will grah him and that will be the end of the matter.

I don't know if I just read an e-mail or a transcript of a Hulk Hogan interview.

best.email.ever.

"I Got GRAH!!ed and All I Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt".

Someone get to work on that immediately.

i already have the erin go grah shirts ready for next st. patrick's day

they feature a leprechaun with rich's face, drinking jameson's and eating coke-laced lucky charms.

I think it's time we open our GRAH!! specialty store, Ken.

i think you are right.

As a side note, my picture on myspace is better than all of yours. Because mine features Larry Lifeless.

It's like a tribute to narcotics.

i am putting a picture of myself with crabs on my myspace. it will be a tribute to shellfish.

And New Bedford.

i didn't say it was a picture of AIDS-ridden hookers with syringes hanging off their clits.

Pfft. Just when you think you know a guy.

i'll change it to a picture of aids ridden hookers from new bedford with syringes and crabs hanging off their cliterati.

Thank fuck.

don't thank fuck, thank jesus

Who?

he's this guy who hangs out at puzzles

dreadkill said:

wouldn't it be clitorae?