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returntothepit >> discuss >> Vinateri makes the kick...AND IT'S GOOD!!! by DomesticTerror on Mar 21,2006 6:11pm
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toggletoggle post by DomesticTerror at Mar 21,2006 6:11pm
THE COLTS WIN! THE COLTS WIN!!!!

i think it's official...something is amiss in Foxboro...



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at Mar 21,2006 6:14pm
i heard about this about 15 mins ago. the patriots are stupid for letting him go when they have all that cap money. they better start doing something with that money.



toggletoggle post by DomesticTerror at Mar 21,2006 6:19pm
so does this mean vanderjerk will be blowing the game winning field goal in next years Pats/Steelers AFC game?



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at Mar 21,2006 6:28pm
i hope not. i hate that guy. the pats should sign castledoomerown as vinatieri's replacement.



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toggletoggle post by DomesticTerror at Mar 21,2006 6:39pm
i still can't believe this...i mean, i've been kinda expecting it, but not to INDY!



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at Mar 21,2006 6:40pm
i thought he was going to green bay. i hope miami signs vanderpoop and releases mare so the pats can get him.



toggletoggle post by BornSoVile   at Mar 21,2006 6:43pm
the deal isn't official, yet.



toggletoggle post by DomesticTerror at Mar 21,2006 6:51pm
yes it is. there's just some protocal about waiting a few days to announce it, new agent and all...



toggletoggle post by DomesticTerror at Mar 21,2006 6:51pm
Just have Flutie kick.



toggletoggle post by JayTUS nli at Mar 21,2006 7:01pm
I just don't understand what the Patriots are doing...



toggletoggle post by DomesticTerror at Mar 21,2006 7:11pm
has the hostility set in yet? it's starting to with me...



toggletoggle post by JayTUS nli at Mar 21,2006 7:33pm
They are definitely testing us. The whole line is "In Bill we trust," but god damn. They have almost 20 MILLION in cap space. They are watching player after player walk out the door and all the good free agents are gone. I just don't understand. I mean, if they were doing something, I might say "ok, I get it," but there's no talk of ANYTHING going on in Foxboro other than Reche Caldwell signing. I mean, that was a great signing... if he can stay healthy...

But that's it. And Tim Dwight signed with the Jets. Tom Ashworth isn't coming back. Stephen Neal probably won't be back either. Thats... like... EVERYONE. I am tired of being patient and waiting. Just do... something!



toggletoggle post by contagion   at Mar 21,2006 7:56pm
i think belichick is taking the whole "no stars" attitude a little too seriously. and lets be honest, the pats best year was when harrison, brady, dillon, law, bruschi, and seymour were all at the top of thier game, and thats fuckin 6 superstars right there. 5 bucks says we cut brady and sign some faggot from nfl europe.



toggletoggle post by JayTUS nli at Mar 21,2006 9:07pm
Let's not get carried away.



toggletoggle post by wade nli at Mar 21,2006 9:13pm
mega gay.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Mar 21,2006 9:32pm
you, dudes, sure do like your dudes



toggletoggle post by BlackoutRick at Mar 21,2006 9:33pm
contagion said:
i think belichick is taking the whole "no stars" attitude a little too seriously. and lets be honest, the pats best year was when harrison, brady, dillon, law, bruschi, and seymour were all at the top of thier game, and thats fuckin 6 superstars right there. 5 bucks says we cut brady and sign some faggot from nfl europe.



Yeah, go easy man. Let's not think that way, huh. I say Brady is here to stay. We need to work on safetys



toggletoggle post by JayTUS nli at Mar 21,2006 9:50pm
Harrison will be back, and he is the man, the myth, the legend. James Sanders is still young and learning, Artrell Hawkins resigned and grew into the SS roll, and Eugene Wilson will be fine once he has Harrison out there with him. I am more worried about CB than S...



toggletoggle post by BlackoutRick at Mar 21,2006 10:04pm
Harrison is coming back!?!?!?! Dude, he FUCKED up his knee, I don't think he's coming back. That's some career-endin shit right there, man.



toggletoggle post by JayTUS nli at Mar 21,2006 10:15pm
http://kffl.com/player/1658/nfl

http://fantasygames2.sandboxplus.com/2005/...s/player_main.asp?sport=NFL&id=1141

http://www.projo.com/sports/tomcurran/projo_20060203_03curran.1d1b14f8.html

Tom E. Curran: Not the same without Pats' Harrison in spotlight

01:00 AM EST on Friday, February 3, 2006

Super Bowl week. Rodney Harrison's week.

His week to announce the New England Patriots mindset for the planet's most watched annual sporting event.

His week to defend the honor of teammates, the organization, the six-state region.

His week to speak sincerely -- eyes boring into you -- about what it means to be right here, right now.

His week to hear a whispered slight from five miles away, prick up his ears like a Doberman and begin barking furiously, vowing vengeance.

His week to stand under the confetti, arm in a sling and weep tears of joy as he did in 2003.

His week to put the exclamation point on a win with a game-ending pick and dance as he did in 2004.

Even though he was only with the Patriots for two of their three titles, he was born to this stage.

Instead, he's half a continent away, rehabbing in Foxboro. And instead of square-jawed and steely-eyed Rodney refusing to laugh at Freddie Mitchell's attempt at Super Bowl humor, we get the Steelers Joey Porter) a man who missed the start of last season after taking a bullet in the buttocks -- waxing ineloquent about Seattle's Jerramy Stevens.

The Patriots are off the front pages. The celebrated safety in this matchup is Troy Polamalu, a player with three years of service in the league that some are calling the best in the NFL.

And Harrison's response to this is . . . serenity now.

"This league is about what have you done for me lately," said Harrison without bitterness. "Right now, he is the best player in the league on defense. Each week, who's coming up with big plays? And what happens the next time they play? He still goes out there and makes plays and wreaks havoc. He's a player with unbelievable instincts who studies more than anyone on the team and the guy is fast, tough and hits like a linebacker."

Since suffering serious damge to his knee in the season's third game, Harrison has been in the hardest trial of his career. His perspective on invincibility is different.

"It's not hard (to watch other teams involved in the Super Bowl) for the simple fact that who really and truly thinks we're supposed to go every year?" he said. "Is it disappointing? Yes. But I couldn't even finish the season. I think of my teammates who worked so hard and came so close. Whenever you have high expectations and don't achieve them, there is disappointment. If we stayed healthy, we're in the Super Bowl. There's no better team when we're all there and we still came a few plays from going to the AFC Championship."

It can be argued that over the last 10 seasons, Harrison has been the most productive defensive back in football. He's the only DB in history to record more 30 interceptions and 25 sacks. He's made more than 1,000 regular-season tackles. Despite that, he's only been to two Pro Bowls,and it's an accepted fact his style has something to do with that.

He is an intimidator, a player who goes right to and sometimes over the line with his aggressiveness. He is a dream teammate, a nightmare opponent. In his first few weeks with the Patriots, he roughed up teammates during training camp and said, memorably, that he wasn't there to make friends.

He didn't. He created disciples. First, he took rookie Eugene Wilson under his wing in Wilson's rookie year of 2003. The next year, he was the hawk for the whole secondary when the Patriots lost their veteran corners. Another Super Bowl win followed.

He's accomplished so much already and the road back to an elite level is so long, Harrison admits he nearly pulled the plug on coming back.

"There was a time I wasn't sure," he said. "In the heat of stress and the ups and downs, I thought about (retiring)."

His wife Erika helped keep him moored.

"She said, I support whatever decision you make," Harrison recalled. "She asked me, 'What do you want to do?' I told her I felt like I want to play. And I told her to go home with the kids, to Atlanta. That I'd stay here four days and rehab then come home at the end of the week. She wanted to stay with me. So we all stayed here.

"You can have support from anyone else, but if you don't have support from your wife or the person you rely on constantly it makes for a long comeback and offseason."

The rehab, he admitted, is arduous. As much as four hours each day at the stadium devoted to strengthening the leg.

"It is a lot of work," he said. "I won't sit and pretend it's not. You want to come back from an injury like this you have to be totally, totally committed."

Harrison believes that collective mindset extends to the organization which is this week watching an event its come to own in this decade.

"When you fall short of your goals, hunger and passion stirs up inside you," he said. "You work harder and that burning desire comes back. You look at league and say, 'Know what . . .?' "

Harrison doesn't finish the thought but does say something which sounds quite like a warning.

"Nothing's fun about a hungry bunch of Patriots



toggletoggle post by JayTUS nli at Mar 21,2006 10:15pm
Bottom line, Rodney will be back.



toggletoggle post by Dankill at Mar 21,2006 11:17pm
This is beyond gay.
It's about as painful as watching a prime Red Sox become a fucking Yankee.
WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY DOING IN FOXBORO?!
USE THAT GODDAMN MONEY!



toggletoggle post by ConquerTheBaphomet  at Mar 21,2006 11:27pm
This is worst than what the Sox are doing right now to be honest. I still can't believe this and I have a knot in my stomach. If Kraft and staff keep this up we will have no team left to stay dominant.

The Pats won't even win the division next year.



toggletoggle post by JayTUS nli at Mar 22,2006 7:09am
It's business. The Red Sox are set up to be better, long term, right now. Who would you rather have for the next four years: Johnny Damon, Pedro Martinez, Derek Lowe, Bill Mueller, Kevin Millar, Bronson Arroyo and all the other cast offs or Josh Beckett, Coco Crisp, Wily Mo Pena, Jonathan Paplebon, Craig Hansen and all the young guys in the system. Because that doesn't happen unless we let the older dudes go.

The problem is, you are rooting for players and not the laundry. I root for the laundry. With Vinitairi, he can probably be an elite kicker for the next 10 years, even still, so that's what I don't understand. Most of the other players that the Pats have let walk have contributed little to nothing to their new teams so far, and really haven't been missed.

Maybe Vanderjerk will come in here and get in line and be beloved by us all. Who knows. This could be a blessing in disguise...



toggletoggle post by scoracrasia   at Mar 22,2006 7:35am
Patriots will come in third in the division this coming year. They fucked up royally with this move.



toggletoggle post by JayTUS nli at Mar 22,2006 10:04am
Maybe second, but the Bills and Jets will still suck.



toggletoggle post by JayTUS nli at Mar 22,2006 10:04am
Maybe second, but the Bills and Jets will still suck.



toggletoggle post by ConquerTheBaphomet  at Mar 22,2006 1:39pm
Vanderjerk won't come to New England. I guarantee they will get some young maybe a rookie kicker cause they are still full of surprises.

To Jay: I understand the long term deal but Arroyo still has things to contribute to the Sox and he is still a solid pitcher we had. The young new guys will definitely be a good boost to the club but I don't think it will click until maybe the last of the season or next season.

I hope Damon has the worst season of his career. I hope he bats .190.



toggletoggle post by scoracrasia   at Mar 22,2006 1:45pm edited Mar 22,2006 1:49pm
I say the Jets go 2-14
They blow.....
The Bills might be losing Eric Moulds so they will go down even more. Maybe second for the Pats, but I dunno.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Mar 22,2006 1:48pm
Rodney Harrison will take on the duties as kicker and through sheer hatred for everyone who is not the Patriots will compile the most impressive field goal percentage in the history of the league with his perfect season. Harrison will forceably eject Josh Miller from the field and kick three field goals from the Pats own 20 rather than punting when the offense stumbles in Super Bowl XLI. He will then return three interceptions for touchdowns. Just to keep him on his toes Kraft will hand the Super Bowl MVP trophy to Christian Fauria which will only piss off Harrison more.



toggletoggle post by scoracrasia   at Mar 22,2006 3:21pm
I think I've changed my mind about this whole deal.
Vinatieri's great in the clutch but otherwise overrated. He ranks like 18th and can't really be counted on when down by the 50 yard line (not that Belichick goes for 50 yarders but is that because he knows Vini's not up to it?). Don't get me wrong, I love all the great mammarys Vini's given us and hate to see him go to the Colts but all you & I can do is have blind faith in the powers that be that at the end of the day, when they're done crunching their numbers, they're leaving us money for players we need. How 'bout some receivers? I heard it mentioned that if they had paid Vini the cake he was asking it could've created a slippery slope raising the bar to a new high that would end up fleecing the organization for future kicker deals. In other words, if you get a kicker coming along boasting that they're capable of putting up 3/4 of the numbers Vini did then suddenly the organization owes them an explanation as to why they're not going to pay them 3/4 of the money Vini pulls down. In my opinion, it's more to do with greedy agents than salary caps. I also heard that Vini wanted out of here so bad he canned his old agent so quick that his new one didn't even have the authority to put together a new deal for him 'cause of some 3 day waiting-between-new-agents clause the NFL has in place. I don't no why that rule exists but there's a lot more going on behind the scenes than they're letting on. Frankly, I think Vini got his nose bent when they didn't throw a bucket of cash at him and he was faced with his real numbers instead of his legend. The fans treat him like a rock star here but he may not have enough gas in his tank to rebuild that reputation else where to the point of cult status where he gets the endorsement deals he had here (can you say Johnny Damon?). That's easy money one makes for just showing up, holding a Dunkin Donuts coffee with a smile and no late hits. Fuck it now that I really think about it.




toggletoggle post by JayTUS nli at Mar 22,2006 3:39pm
BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:
Rodney Harrison will take on the duties as kicker and through sheer hatred for everyone who is not the Patriots will compile the most impressive field goal percentage in the history of the league with his perfect season. Harrison will forceably eject Josh Miller from the field and kick three field goals from the Pats own 20 rather than punting when the offense stumbles in Super Bowl XLI. He will then return three interceptions for touchdowns. Just to keep him on his toes Kraft will hand the Super Bowl MVP trophy to Christian Fauria which will only piss off Harrison more.


Especially since Fauria just signed with the Redskins.



toggletoggle post by JayTUS nli at Mar 22,2006 3:41pm
ConquerTheBaphomet said:
To Jay: I understand the long term deal but Arroyo still has things to contribute to the Sox and he is still a solid pitcher we had. The young new guys will definitely be a good boost to the club but I don't think it will click until maybe the last of the season or next season.

I hope Damon has the worst season of his career. I hope he bats .190.


I'm not saying he can't contribute, but he was expendable because of the fact that he was their 7th starter. If the money worked out, I am sure they would have rather traded Clement, but they are already paying guys over $17 million to play on other teams this year...



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