Anyone know how to get ahold of their song 39 lashes or their cover of Venom's "Countess Bathory"? Or how to contact Jeff Gruslin or the chinese dude Lee?

nope. i've got the excruciating pain demo tape. is that hard to find?

Yeah, I got that one. If it's the Wild Rags version it's pretty hard to find. Not sure if another label re-issued it.

all it says on the side is Vital Remains Music 1990 VR-0666.
ha! it's got jeff gruslin's home address in it, but that probably won't help u much, being 14 years old.

Yeah... that address is no good. Thanks anyways bud... You got the The Black Mass 7"?

no, never even seen it.

I have that 7 inch and the shirt.

I have loads of VR stuff, I have been a huge fan since 1990.

Actually, me and 2 friends went with them on their old black bus when they went to play with OBITUARY and SADUS up in Mass.

Look on the thanks list and you will see "The Death Heads from Newport" - that's us!

The 7" is the best thing I've heard by them. What about 39 lashes? Do you have that song? The only person I know that has ever heard it is Eric Paone. I used to have the shirt done by Moyen C with Christ in a full Nelson held by a demon but fucking lost it. Would you by any chance know how to contact Moyen C. or Lee? Remember Lee, the Chinese dude?

Yeah, I totally know who Lee is, he bought most of Jim Collins' collection when he had his cancer scare after he quit doing The Metal Cage radio show (before I took it over).

I might have the VENOM cover on an old tape from when they played live on WRIU. I saw them so many times back at Babyhead and The Church House Inn and I remember them playing 39 lashes all the time, the lyrics were just Jeff counting to 39 in a death grunt. I don't think they ever recorded that though.

Fuck...Chris Maclean has the tape of them live on the metal cage. It might be the one with you hosting. Not sure though...

No, that was before me.

Jim and Rob were doing it then.

I was on from December 1993 to March 2000.

Were you at the show with the chick dancing around the 6 or 7 ft cross and then it flipped upside down. I wonder if anyone has that on video. It was at club babyhead. It might have been one of the times they played with Deicide. Were you at the 93 show with Autopsy?

AUTOPSY_666 said:


"lay to waste, last abide on earth takes its place"

hey john, you got anything by Ritual Sacrifice?" (have i already asked you?)

Ritual Sacrifice... I remember them and Dread 104, is that a reference to that band Dread with Chabo in it?

I have All there stuff. I can talk to tony or gruz to see if they have any recordings of it but it is very not likely I have a bunch of live stuff and I can check. I go way back with them guys. since thebeginning so I can check. Jeff is pretty reclusive now

If you have the video where the cross flips I'd be interested in buying one off you. I used to be in contact with Jeff and lost his address. I'd like to mail him some stuff. Were you in Desolate? I know you play with those guys right? I need to get a copy of "The scourge of Sanity" demo...

I'll have to check about that video. If I have it I'll give you a copy no need for money. I love to spread the word. any way Todd was in desolate. I'm sure he can get you a copy of that Demo. Todd and I played in a band together back in 92 called RANCID CHRIST. As far as jeff He really is not into the scene any more and rearly listens to death or black metal anymor, go figure.

That's awesome. I'll give you a few Cd's and demos of my band in trade. Email me at Dungeoncult@aol.com... I'd like to get Todd's email if you don't mind for The scourge demo...Thanks

No prob my man Todds Email is IAWOL15@aol.com

coldnorthernvengeance said:

no, but i remember them a little. it's a nickname i got (my name being scott) which is louisiana purchase/dred scott case reference. apparently people think i'm a slave.

and i don't know if this'll help but i saw vital do the rotating cross thing opening up for deicide at babyhead on april 17th, 1996 on deicide's "go fuck your jesus" tour. that might help you narrow it down.
also, i think my guitarist used to have that show on tape(he used to get videos of shows we went to), although he's probably lost it by now. i'll double check tho. if he did have it, then he got it from Jim from Bane of Existence, who's got hundreds of videos. check with him. he's probably your best bet. his e-mail is dismalbio@yahoo.com good luck

anyone have a video of deicide and broken hope at red square(the rock pile) june 5th(?) 1995? i would kill for that.

AUTOPSY_666 said:

in case you weren't aware, that's a song from the Jesus Christ Superstar lp, where the big J gets whipped... you guessed it, 39 times. Holy Cow used to cover that too.

What art did Chris Moyen do for VR?

why dont you just email tony and ask him?

coldnorthernvengeance said:


I might be able to get something from Ritual Sacrifice...I'll let you know if I do.

I have all 5 RITUAL SACRIFICE demo tapes and a shirt.

Never was a big fan of Ritual Sacrifice...I have one of their tapes.

BestialOnslaught said:

It was one of the best Moyen C. pieces I have ever seen. It had a demon that has christ in a full nelson hovering over a fire while the devil sits watching on this skeletal throne. I have been trying to find this particular piece for a long time. I have no idea how to get ahold of Moyen C. ?

I know why I was never able to find Moyen C on line. It's because I never typed Chris Moyen in the search engine. Just found his site. Thanks Alex!

YEAHHHH!!!!

UNHOLY SHIT!!!! I FUCKING FINALLY FOUND IT!!! HAIL SATAN!!!

coldnorthernvengeance said:

i saw them once, at derringers in brockton ma. that's the only time i ever heard 'em. i've just always wondered about them