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:	post by ShadowSD at 2012-12-21 15:28:34

Arrow%20NLI said	[orig][quote]
(not just googling articles and laws that support your opinion)

That's not true at all,. I clicked on the link for that article from realclearpolitics.com, a digest site with articles from different points of view but a conservative editorial staff, where I read articles at least as many columns by conservatives as by liberals, if not more. I disagreed with the pro-gun control article CNN wrote. I immediately read the COIN article Boozegod posted, and I accepted you guys' corrections on gun terminology. After all that, I don't think it's fair to say I only listen to viewpoints that re-enforce my own, if so why would I have raised this topic of all topics in this forum of all places?

Arrow%20NLI said	[orig][quote]
The entire point of a defensive weapon is to shoot a person. That involves, often, multiple rounds fired in quick succession. You believe we should have this ability taken away?

Multiple rounds fired in quick succession didn't exist in the days of the writing of the second amendment so often cited to justify that ability. Is this really an insignificant point?

Your best point is the stats about gun violence being stopped by gun owners, that's a pretty compelling argument - although, I wonder what the comparison would be gun violence stopped by gun owners with guns that have the ability to fire and reload quickly versus not, and *particularly* I'd want to know of examples where having a gun without the ability to fire and reload quickly FAILED to stop gun violence because it was inadequate firepower to do. I think enough examples like that would make your case more convincing, because if there are more deaths from that specific circumstance of not having sufficient firing and reloading speed than there are from mass shootings caused by weapons that do, that would actually convince me that I have it wrong on this; as it stands, with these broader statistics, it's more of going back to the old standby of defending the virtues of all guns in general as if anyone's talking about banning them all, which they aren't.

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