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:	post by DestroyYouAlot at 2011-06-19 15:59:42

Boozegood said

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liberals are far and away closer to Fascist than any republican. But seriously, fuck you you cowardly traitor.

traitor to what? you are preaching the same rhetoric in a different uniform.

No I'm not. Or, if you mean that I am not being nice about things and that I am shouting for what I believe just like they do for what they believe, than i agree and never said that is wrong. I'm talking about literally being a traitor that spits in the face of our founding fathers and the Constitution they bravely drafted.

I mean, semantically, Tully never said they couldn't say what they're saying, just that he holds them in a certain regard for saying it. I can buy that.

My take on things would be that you can only be a traitor to an idea that you have common cause with in the first place, and for a lot of folks America is an interesting idea that turned out to be bullshit in practice.

I'll be the first to tell anyone that the people who do fight for that idea (some of whom are 100% behind it 'til the end, and some of whom end up disillusioned by the experience) don't get properly taken care of for what they do. A lot of people do it just to take care of their own families, and that needs to be compensated, too. I respect the trade of soldiering, in either case. And I sure as hell get someone who is engaged in it responding to a banner like that in kind.

But brave men have been dying at the behest of rich ones since the beginning, because they believed in the idea of this country. So the taboo of never making a peep about military matters because you have to "support the troops" is another matter, at least from where I'm standing. Admittedly "Fuck the troops" isn't super clever or articulate (and I wouldn't march behind it, nor do I agree with it), but it sure as hell gets a reaction.

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