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:	post by MikeofDecrepitude at 2009-01-05 14:33:37

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thay may be sick....that's fine
you may enjoy them....that's fine.

but the basic point is if there are slam/mosh/beatdown parts...it is not true to what hardcore originally was, hardcore was just a harsher, angrier (and sometimes faster) form of punk.

Misfits, Minor Threat = hardcore
Romantic Gorilla, Spazz = fast hardcore/crust

heavy/tough guy/beatdown = watered down version of slow death metal minus the growling, played by gang members (and/or wannabe gang members) in baggy clothing and sports jerseys.>>

There can't be a variation on a theme? I should make mention that while sparse, you can find growling on All Out War's TitAoL and Shattered Realm also used to have a DM influenced vocalist. I can't really agree with your opinion that it's watered down "slow death metal", because aside from slams, beatdown riffs, or whatever your fancy; there's no other death metal riffs, vocals, or imagery to these bands. I mean, Shattered Realm had a vocalist who used to growl, but they had more parts that reminded me of Slayer, as opposed to Death Metal. Real metal influenced hxc has produced some pretty cool bands, and by blurring those lines, it allowed people to recognize merits in both genre's and to not be so biased towards one or the other.

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