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:	post by Conservationist at 2008-09-02 09:38:06

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I mean, Chaney has a gay daughter who not long ago had a baby of her own with her partner and that didn't stop him keeping his job.

Generally, conservatives are less critical of screwups by politicians and more critical of a lack of taking a stand. If you hold yourself to what you view as a higher standard, you recognize there are going to be failings; conservatives perceive liberals hold themselves to a lower standard because they are afraid of screwing up.

Liberals tend to believe that government has a greater influence on the individual, where conservatives tend to see government as demographics. It's an entirely different view.

Of course, there are some, including author Tom Wolfe, who refer to liberalism as "a fashion" and I think there's some sense in this: it is more socially-driven than conservatism. If political views were college courses, liberalism would be black studies or literature; conservatism would be engineering or computer science.

I think liberalism will always be popular, but not among those who make their own way, because it does have some reality-denying aspects. Many Americans do not like the idea of government being literally in their lives, or regulating what is positive behavior instead of simply banning the biggest negative behaviors. Further, many people are wondering what the successes of liberalism are. We still have the same problems it claimed to address, and many of its greatest successes, like child labor laws, were penned by people who today would be considered conservatives.

There are of course fringe groups on both sides. On the left, there are the race cult lunatics and mainstream anarchists, and on the right, we have various groups who make issues like abortion seem more important than issues like national defense. These are relatively small groups but politicians continue to pander to them, mainly because these politicians have no discernible platform other than conformity to how the system works with some conservative or liberal flavor. Obama, I am looking at you here...

Left and right join in some interesting movements. Comunitarianism/localism. Anarcho-primitivism, traditionalism. And their oldest convergence, National Socialism.

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