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:	post by ArrowHead NLI at 2007-04-15 01:32:35

Murph said:

Well, I was not going to say anything, but when "faux intellectual" comes into the conversation, then it becomes insulting.

Your idea that having a "drastic, irrational, and intolerant" reaction to Christianity actually created all the reasons why I'm so anti-Christian is such an overused cliche and downright ridiculous. (So people are murdered because they are anti-murder?) In fact, it doesn't even make sense. Read my reasons above for why I feel the way I do, and not one points to me, or any other free-thinking individual past or present, having done anything to deserve death or blacklisting other than feeling differently and/or setting those feelings in print.

Also, my issue is not just with Roman Catholicism, but with the many offshoots from early Christian tradition that demolished many cultures and beliefs (Arianism, Literalist Christianity, the writings of Justin Martyr and Clement of Alexander to name a few). Roman Catholicism did not fully register itself until the third-fourth century AD, by which time many "godman" traditions were in jeopardy due to politcal and religious furor. (Goodbye to many amazing texts)

And I don't make my argument against Christianity for anyone else to jump ship and join me. I understand fully how radical my feelings are, and maybe somewhat jaded, but it's just how I feel. Your thought that "my current beliefs" have me spinning in circles is another cliche amongst cliches in that rant. Seriously, you write as if what you say is sound and concrete, but is actually rather weak and unsubstantiated.

You're not smarter than everyone else, so stop trying to climb into my head and tell me why think the way I do. "Attacking without provocation" has worked well for many religions, I think its time someone else attacks, except this time with purpose.

I actually had some well thought out points to make to this. Seeing you still trying to justify jumping down this kid's throat without provocation made me want to jump right back in and defend the underdog some more. However, I see that Conqueror has decided he will in fact bring his beliefs into this argument, so at this point I leave him to defend himself.

As for your own points, murph, they're weak. Especially the part where you refer to my statements as "cliche". I'd love to see you link any single fucking proof of redundancy in what I've said. Disagree if you like, but your accusation there would be naught but a bullshit cop-out.

And again, there is no difference at all between one type of intolerance and another. You're showing intolerance to Christianity at it's merest mention. How you feel that is any way different than the churches past atrocities baffles me. And AGAIN, you've shown that EVERY problem you have is with varying CHURCHES of christ. I still have yet to see you make one useful point against christ himself. Personally, as I've said, I've had no use for the almighty teriyaki man. However, I would never deprive CTB of his right to worship him, nor would I try to dissuade him from believing something that helps him find peace.

If he were to do something bad in the name of christ, then I would say or do something. But then, you'll notice that YOU act like an asshole, and I ALSO say or do something. That's the point, and ironically it's one of the founding principles of Satanism. I don't care WHAT you believe, and mopst likely neither does CTB. For you to rip in and blast him like that was something he didn't ask for or deserve, so I stood up for him. And to quell your ridiculous fear of Christianity, if he were to attack your own beliefs in such a way, I would have stood up for you as well.

I don't care what your faith is. I only care what it makes you do.

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