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:	post by nsnholmes at 2006-03-03 15:45:26

first off, the overall mark's experience is a positive. but after having been to 4 shows there, i have some serious bitching to do.

1) the no-mosh rule. i'm not exactly sure why they don't allow moshing whatsoever. lighthearted pushing even results in scolding by the TNT crew. this isn't about the TNT guys being jerks, though. they're just doing what they're told; it's mark's management that has put the rule in place. keep in mind that many of the same TNT guys worked at the bomb shelter, and many of them were always cool and approachable there. so my question is, what do they gain by not allowing moshing? perhaps a) shit doesn't get broken. but as it is anyway, they have at least 2 or 3 guys with an eye on the crowd, so how about they just get involved when things get unnecessarily rough or fights start? b) fights don't happen [as often]. c) no liability (but if they expressly point out that moshing is at your own risk, they won't be liable, no?). sometimes it just doesn't even feel like a show atmosphere there when you see a sea of people standing still and bobbing their heads.

2) the price of alcohol... for fuck sake, let us get drunk for less than $50!

3) NO FLYERS. GOD FORBID the local bands try to promote themselves and increase the popularity of the overall local scene and create a more loyal following, ie. fans who will keep coming back and paying $5 for a beer that should cost $2. last night we started off just outside the door handing out flyers -- 1 a general NeverSayNever flyer, 1 promoting our show this saturday. granted, the show promotion flyer was for a different venue, so i can see why they'd oppose that. at first we were told we couldn't hand them out "in here". so i said, "oh, so can we hand them out out there?", and the mark's guy in the black shirt said yes. then he added, "but if we find any on the ground, we'll find you guys and fine you for littering." i'm tempted to look up the legality of this issue, given that my handing a piece of paper to a person (who willingly takes it) is not me putting paper on the ground, nor is it encouraging other people to do so.

anyway, we went outside, minutes later to find the same security guy in the black shirt had exited from the strip club door and looped around to the show entrance, checking the parking lot to see if any flyers were on the ground. he didn't see any, so as he passed i said, "looks like they all wanted to KEEP IT!" he muttered something like "you're lucky" or "you're good so far". so instead of risking "littering", i had a smoke. then a TNT guy in a red shirt came out and asked us if we were handing out flyers -- i said, "not anymore!" and he told us that his boss told him to come out and tell us not to. if my thought processes were quicker at the moment, i would have asked to talk to his boss so i could figure out what the real problem is. but it just pissed me the fuck off to be treated that way by people in a venue that is entirely dependent on the local scene and people like US in bands who promote our shit and get people to come out to shows.

i personally feel like if they continue to run things as they have, they might be able to stick around, but they won't be considered the best place to go, and if people continually get the feelings i do about the place, they'll just stop going altogether. the problem is that mark's currently has no competition for booking national acts. seems to me they run it as a business and nothing more, they don't give half a shit about music, the scene, or the musicians who do the legwork to bring people into their venue.

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