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:	post by th3rdknuckle at 2005-06-16 20:17:02

Can't let this BS stand...

<Typically, their arguments are rooted that metal developed from the blues (via rock), and thus metal "owes" it's existence to blacks. The ludicrous nature of this notion begs for rebuttal.>

Does Metal "owe" its existence to blacks? No. You're right, this a gross oversimplification; anyone who says this is a fucktard.

But in your 'rebuttal', your racist mission to eliminate blacks from the development of metal by eliminating the blues music in it's history is ludicrous. The role of the blues in the development of Metal is well-documented; it's all recorded to see and hear; it didn't happen that long ago.

Did Metal develop from the Blues? Yes, it did. Anyone who knows anything about music history knows that. Those of us who experienced some of the era can speak to it with some authority. At first glance, you seem to write like you know your stuff, but you're so far off base with so much of your 'thesis' that it's clear your sense of history is revisionist, and your playing up/'adjusting' certain facts, while blatantly diregarding others, (to speak nothing of your total fabrications) is intellectually disingenuous. In other words, you're full o'shyte.

<The basic facts of metal's origins are simple enough. The genre was invented by four white lads from Birmingham, England who began recording in 1969 under the collective moniker "Black Sabbath.">

Ridiculous. Again, anyone with any serious knowledge of music knows that no one ever 'invented' anything in music. Music develops; it evolves. New forms mutate out of old ones. Sabbath never sat down in their practice room one night and 'invented' Heavy Metal.

By the way, they actually began recording in 1968 under the collective monik "Earth", which every member of that band will tell you was a blues band.

And there is fairly straight blues music, as well as jazz, to be found in abundance throughout Sabbath's 1st lp. 'Warning' is a blues. 'Wicked World', their cover of 'Evil Woman'... 'N.I.B' is built around a standard blues progression. Absolutely, they added their own sonic and thematic elements; raw volume and agressive vibe, etc etc. But this is 'adding elements to an already-established genre'; this is how music develops and evolves. This is NOT 'invention', and no one can precisely pinpoint the one band that 'invented' any genre or style.

<Metal emerged as a distinct genre precisely BECAUSE it broke free of the limitations of blues rock traditions.>

This statement by itself is true, but it should be noted that it did so while retaining much of the framework, modes, and structure of the music it evolved from.

<Sabbath abandoned the simplicity of blues arrangements and rejected the predictable tonality and chord progressions of the blues and previous rock music.>

When did they 'abandon' this? There are blues-based songs, progressions, scales, riifs and solos ALL OVER the Ozzy-era Sabbath records. This is just blatantly wrong!

<Just as importantly, Sabbath eschewed the sex and relationship obsession characteristic of the blues and early rock in favor of a neo-classical and neo-Romantic preoccupation with creation, chaos and dissolution.>

True, lyrically... This is one place where they deviated from the established blues/rock model... But this is not 'invention', nor is it a 'rejection' of anything previous. It's change, innovation, mutation, development. The Doors did the same thing, writing about incest, suicide, drugs, Vietnam, politics, etc. during the happy-faced Flower Power era. Music was evolving along with popular culture.

<In other words, Sabbath, far from owing its existence to "black music" and the blues, made its reputation through the systematic removal of black cultural elements from their sound and creating music grounded wholly in the Aryan tradition.>

Now you're wrapping up by spewing dangerous absolutes. 'Systematic removal'? 'Grounded wholly in the Aryan tradition'? What does this even mean? Show me a Sabbath album that does NOT contain a blues scale, a blues progression, and any relationship-based lyrics, and I'll concede.

You work hard to paint a picture of 4 white guys working together to invent a new form of music that is consciously devoid of any blues (and therefore, black) elements. 4 guys setting out to distance their music as far away from blues and jazz as possible... If that's the case, they failed monumentally.

As have you. Your attempt to twist both Metal's history and Black Sabbath's legacy into something that fits your racist views is just plain silly. I'm betting those lads from Birmingham would tell you the same.

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