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returntothepit >> discuss >> New Murrum Track by Murrum on Jun 19,2013 4:58pm
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toggletoggle post by Murrum at Jun 19,2013 4:58pm edited Jun 19,2013 4:58pm
New Murrum song for you guys to hate on. Please go ahead and tell us all how small your dick is by complaining how this isn't "tr00" or "kvlt" enough for you.

TNEBM:



bennyhillifier
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Murrum



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jun 19,2013 5:16pm
just by the stupid way this was presented, I'm going to say it's not tr00 or kvlt enough and that my dick is miniscule.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jun 19,2013 5:21pm
I would also like to express my annoyance with "TNEBM". NEBM is clearly the best choice, adding the "T" makes it retarded. ELEMENTARY PEOPLE!



toggletoggle post by largefreakatzero at Jun 19,2013 5:24pm
I do like Tanktop McNeckbeard flexing away in the photo.



toggletoggle post by Ålex "Abyss" Tellïer, Aerospace Enthusiast at Jun 19,2013 5:38pm
largefreakatzero said[orig][quote]
I do like Tanktop McNeckbeard flexing away in the photo.


The proper term is "neard". Thanks.


* Ålex "Abyss" Tellïer, Aerospace Enthusiast endorses Soultone Cymbals and Silverfox Percussion sticks exclusively.



toggletoggle post by Ålex "Abyss" Tellïer, Aerospace Enthusiast at Jun 19,2013 5:44pm
And FUCK ANYONE who says my band isn't "kvlt" enough. Say it to our faces at a show if you dare! We are TRVE NEW ENGLAND BLACK METAL KVLT!!!

* Ålex "Abyss" Tellïer, Aerospace Enthusiast endorses Soultone Cymbals and Silverfox Percussion sticks exclusively.



toggletoggle post by THE HORSE MICHAEL VOLPI RIDES at Jun 19,2013 9:52pm
mega LOLZ @ "soultone cymbals".



toggletoggle post by Mexican Michael Volpi is Mexican at Jun 19,2013 11:11pm
White people have no souls.



toggletoggle post by FAIRWHEN at Jun 19,2013 11:15pm
WHO KNEW FUCKING MICHAEL WOULD GET ME SO MUCH ATTENTION?! IS ANYONE LISTENING? IS THIS THING ON? HULLO? I AM FUCKING MICHAEL THE BASSIST!



toggletoggle post by Hoser at Jun 20,2013 4:47am
This music is for neckbeards...no like.

Noisy....check
Crappy production....check
female keyboard player....check
black wife beater....check
metal horns....check
neckbeards....check



toggletoggle post by longdeadgod_nli at Jun 20,2013 6:51am
No talent shit...check



toggletoggle post by Ancient Master nli at Jun 20,2013 8:26am
I accidentally subscribed to this mouth breathers youtube, now my phone wont let me unsubscribe



toggletoggle post by census checklist at Jun 20,2013 8:47am
Hoser said[orig][quote]
This music is for neckbeards...no like.

Noisy....check
Crappy production....check
female keyboard player....check
black wife beater....check
metal horns....check
neckbeards....check


approved and...checked



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jun 20,2013 9:10am
Alex Abbiss is in Murrum.




toggletoggle post by Murrum at Jun 20,2013 3:16pm
Yeti said[orig][quote]
I would also like to express my annoyance with "TNEBM". NEBM is clearly the best choice, adding the "T" makes it retarded. ELEMENTARY PEOPLE!


The only retard here is you for picking apart something stupid and irrelevant and totally ignoring our music. People like you make it necessary to point out TRUE NEBM when it exists.



toggletoggle post by Murrum at Jun 20,2013 3:19pm
Hoser said[orig][quote]
This music is for neckbeards...no like.

Noisy....check
Crappy production....check
female keyboard player....check
black wife beater....check
metal horns....check
neckbeards....check


Thanks for your useless opinion. Crappy production? Yeah because Aske was recorded and mastered at fucking God City. It's black metal the production shouldn't matter. You dickheads are just jealous of real talent and passion for TNEBM. If we suck so bad then getting attention from Interscope right now? Thought so.



toggletoggle post by WarVomitGoliath at Jun 20,2013 3:32pm
Murrum said[orig][quote]
Hoser said[orig][quote]
This music is for neckbeards...no like.

Noisy....check
Crappy production....check
female keyboard player....check
black wife beater....check
metal horns....check
neckbeards....check


Thanks for your useless opinion. Crappy production? Yeah because Aske was recorded and mastered at fucking God City. It's black metal the production shouldn't matter. You dickheads are just jealous of real talent and passion for TNEBM. If we suck so bad then getting attention from Interscope right now? Thought so.



Bullshit, there is no interest in your troll band other than making fun of it on this board.

shit band
shit sound
shit recording
shit vocals
shit music

Taco New England Bell Metal = TNEBM

Murrum has more passion eating taco bell.

Murrum, more like a Murstake



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jun 20,2013 4:21pm
Murrum said[orig][quote]
Hoser said[orig][quote]
This music is for neckbeards...no like.

Noisy....check
Crappy production....check
female keyboard player....check
black wife beater....check
metal horns....check
neckbeards....check


Thanks for your useless opinion. Crappy production? Yeah because Aske was recorded and mastered at fucking God City. It's black metal the production shouldn't matter. You dickheads are just jealous of real talent and passion for TNEBM. If we suck so bad then getting attention from Interscope right now? Thought so.


see the big difference is that you do not make music that even remotely resembles Aske. what Varg did was unique to Burzum. and I did take the time to listen to your music actually, I didn't think it was bad at all. but you come off as a pompous ass spouting the same tired bullshit about "black metal" so you are deserving of ridicule. you should be less concerned with meeting criteria and more concerned with the most important aspect that most current wanna-be "black metal" groups seem to overlook:

WRITING GOOD MUSIC



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jun 20,2013 4:23pm
New England has all of the right ingredients to fuel savage "black" metal. but groups like The Legion are a social club more concerned with having the appropriate attire than the quality of the music. the idea of a "black metal social club" pretty much pisses in the face of everything "black metal" ever stood for.



toggletoggle post by Mystic Aquarium Black Metal at Jun 20,2013 4:27pm
WarVomitGoliath said[orig][quote]
Murrum, more like a Murstake



MURR-MAN.


http://25.media.tumblr.com/67e0e9bce2b96ea.../tumblr_mgslvg4hhV1rbrhnko1_500.gif



toggletoggle post by Mystic Aquarium Black Metal at Jun 20,2013 4:28pm



toggletoggle post by WHY!? at Jun 20,2013 4:29pm
Yeti, why are you arguing with an account that was created to troll Murrum? Are you samefagging that hard?



toggletoggle post by Mark_R at Jun 20,2013 4:33pm
It is a pretty good troll. Someone is trying to take trolling to a more sophisticated level.



toggletoggle post by DYA is ROOM SIZE AT 10, DECAY AT 0 at Jun 20,2013 4:34pm
Murrum created their own Youtube channel to troll themselves? that's some next-level shit, respect.



toggletoggle post by Murrum at Jun 20,2013 4:35pm
Yeti said[orig][quote]

see the big difference is that you do not make music that even remotely resembles Aske.


I know dipshit. It's BETTER than Burzum. You're welcome for the future of TNEBM. I'll bet you're not even in a band and haven't contributed anything to the scene. You've got no right to come on here and trash a true warrior horde.



toggletoggle post by Tr00f at Jun 20,2013 4:36pm
This is the gayest shit I've ever heard/read, and I once went to a spoken word reading of Peter Steele's Playgirl article.



toggletoggle post by WHY!? at Jun 20,2013 4:39pm
No, that's probably really their channel, but I don't think a band would call a song from 2011 a "new" track.



toggletoggle post by Murrum at Jun 20,2013 4:42pm
WHY!? said[orig][quote]
No, that's probably really their channel, but I don't think a band would call a song from 2011 a "new" track.


Nothing but marketing experts here on RTTP. You guys make me laugh. I've successfully managed the Murrum street team for 2 years now. What's your resume look like? I don't need any help from you thanks.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jun 20,2013 4:43pm
WHY!? said[orig][quote]
Yeti, why are you arguing with an account that was created to troll Murrum? Are you samefagging that hard?


the troll possibility crossed my mind, however I figured I'd trash his/her/its bullshit regardless.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jun 20,2013 4:45pm
real or not, my rant towards "black metal" stays the same.



toggletoggle post by Murrum at Jun 20,2013 4:45pm
Yeti said[orig][quote]
WHY!? said[orig][quote]
Yeti, why are you arguing with an account that was created to troll Murrum? Are you samefagging that hard?


the troll possibility crossed my mind, however I figured I'd trash his/her/its bullshit regardless.


Yeah you really trashed me. You admitted the song is awesome. If you can't handle the way the band carries itself then that's your problem.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jun 20,2013 4:48pm
Murrum said[orig][quote]
Yeti said[orig][quote]

see the big difference is that you do not make music that even remotely resembles Aske.


I know dipshit. It's BETTER than Burzum. You're welcome for the future of TNEBM. I'll bet you're not even in a band and haven't contributed anything to the scene. You've got no right to come on here and trash a true warrior horde.


definitely a troll.



toggletoggle post by Murrum at Jun 20,2013 4:49pm
ITT: Yeti finally has to use his brain and not Simpsons quotes to carry an intellectual discussion and taps out. Score one for the bad guys.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jun 20,2013 4:51pm
intellectual discussion? taps out? where were any of these things? the fact that you referred to "scene" and me not being in a band screams of nothing but TROLL.



toggletoggle post by DYA is ROOM SIZE AT 10, DECAY AT 0 at Jun 20,2013 4:54pm



toggletoggle post by Murrum at Jun 20,2013 4:56pm
Yeti said[orig][quote]
intellectual discussion? taps out? where were any of these things? the fact that you referred to "scene" and me not being in a band screams of nothing but TROLL.


Are you in a band or not? Believe it or not the whole world doesn't revolve around you. There's a chance that I was too busy writing good music to read your autobiography.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jun 20,2013 4:58pm
you failed at maintaining your troll anonymity in a previous post.



toggletoggle post by NewHamshuhBrutality at Jun 20,2013 5:03pm
I was able to deduce that this was a troll account almost instantly. The Murrum guys are not that stupid... okay, maybe Alex is, but I avoid him anyways.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jun 20,2013 5:04pm
I guess I'm just retarded.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jun 20,2013 5:08pm edited Jun 20,2013 5:10pm
After seeing the pictures of the old Murrum lineup and all the Legion crap that has been going on, I'll never be able to take this band seriously even if their new music is "amazing" as some people have said. Also, I doubt if any of them are actual Satanists.



toggletoggle post by NewHamshuhBrutality at Jun 20,2013 5:11pm
I mean, the Legion has helped us out in NH a fair bit, and for that I am grateful, but their attitude is still fucking ridiculous.



toggletoggle post by King Thūndérstøòl at Jun 20,2013 5:16pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

I WILL DESTROY THE LEGION!!!!!!!!!

AND I WILL HANG THUNDERSTEEL!!!!!!!!!!!



toggletoggle post by Dave Emerson at Jun 20,2013 5:35pm
Just as an interjection......one, that is definitely a troll account, and two, Murrum is no longer associated with The Legion in any way. It was a decent idea when it started, and we put on a decent fest and some good shows, but there has been so much ridiculousness and drama that it's no longer an advantageous association, to the point where it was affecting show attendance and shit.

We supported The Legion because we wanted to make it easier for black metal bands in New England, many of whom are amazing and deserve a much wider audience than they currently enjoy, to find shows and places to play in CT, RI, and NH. Somewhere along the road over the past 10 months or so, that simple goal has been obscured by ever thickening layers of bullshit and pretense. We're done with it.



toggletoggle post by LEGION BUSTERS ELITE at Jun 20,2013 6:22pm
GOOFBALL FALSES FUCK OFF



toggletoggle post by shut the fuck up at Jun 20,2013 7:21pm
im so sick of reading this stupid shit about murrum and the legion and all these jealous kids that hate on good music for no reason. people stopped coming to return to the pit because of all the jealous idiots who are pussies and hide behind trolls to deliver some kind of message. there is no reason for you idiots to perpetuate this behavior when bands like murrum and other black metal bands have a solid sound and fanbase that you can't have. i don't understand why you fucking idiots keep trying to push buttons. seeking attention much? whats wrong, nobody goes to your shows that your band plays? nothing will stop good bands from making good music and no matter how hard you try you are going to fail. everyone in murrum know their shit. stop trying to make it sound like they are a bunch of kids who know nothing and cant play music. this track is old and has nothing to do with the band today. stop trying to belittle good bands. karma will get you, you fucking idiots.



toggletoggle post by Drawfag 2 Drawfag at Jun 20,2013 7:30pm
Hey Katey, please draw us a grim picture that expresses your feelings about all this negative behavior.



toggletoggle post by LEGION BUSTERS ELITE at Jun 20,2013 7:31pm
TL;DR MURRUM IST TERRIBLE



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Jun 20,2013 7:41pm
shut%20the%20fuck%20up said[orig][quote]
im so sick of reading this stupid shit about murrum and the legion and all these jealous kids that hate on good music for no reason. people stopped coming to return to the pit because of all the jealous idiots who are pussies and hide behind trolls to deliver some kind of message. there is no reason for you idiots to perpetuate this behavior when bands like murrum and other black metal bands have a solid sound and fanbase that you can't have. i don't understand why you fucking idiots keep trying to push buttons. seeking attention much? whats wrong, nobody goes to your shows that your band plays? nothing will stop good bands from making good music and no matter how hard you try you are going to fail. everyone in murrum know their shit. stop trying to make it sound like they are a bunch of kids who know nothing and cant play music. this track is old and has nothing to do with the band today. stop trying to belittle good bands. karma will get you, you fucking idiots.


ITT: Deathcore fagget from two years ago discovers norsecore and gets super serial.



toggletoggle post by DYA is ANALRAPISTING THIS THREAD at Jun 20,2013 8:16pm
shut%20the%20fuck%20up said[orig][quote]
im so sick of reading this stupid shit about murrum and the legion and all these jealous kids that hate on good music for no reason. people stopped coming to return to the pit because of all the jealous idiots who are pussies and hide behind trolls to deliver some kind of message. there is no reason for you idiots to perpetuate this behavior when bands like murrum and other black metal bands have a solid sound and fanbase that you can't have. i don't understand why you fucking idiots keep trying to push buttons. seeking attention much? whats wrong, nobody goes to your shows that your band plays? nothing will stop good bands from making good music and no matter how hard you try you are going to fail. everyone in murrum know their shit. stop trying to make it sound like they are a bunch of kids who know nothing and cant play music. this track is old and has nothing to do with the band today. stop trying to belittle good bands. karma will get you, you fucking idiots.





toggletoggle post by Dave_Emerson at Jun 20,2013 8:46pm
This thread is ridiculous, first of all the video is from two years ago, before Murrum became the band it is today and long before some of the members joined The Legion (which we've quit). There's no need for the goofing on us on this site, all we want to do is play black metal and part of being black metal is not giving a fuck about what sheep like you think about our band. We've cultivated a serious satanic image since I joined the band, in fact we've disowned most of the material from before I joined and took the creative helm. This is pure black art now, the Murrum of old is dead and the one in its place is stronger than ever.



toggletoggle post by Dave Emerson at Jun 20,2013 9:01pm
Seriously……a troll account with my name on it now? This is ridiculous.



toggletoggle post by Battle Diaper at Jun 20,2013 9:07pm
Two out of two Daves agree: This thread is ridiculous.



toggletoggle post by Dave_Emerson at Jun 20,2013 9:09pm
Dave%20Emerson said[orig][quote]
Seriously……a troll account with my name on it now? This is ridiculous.


Nice try, this is the official Dave Emerson account. I will not be trolled off here.



toggletoggle post by Dave Emerson at Jun 20,2013 9:10pm
I will say that the "Murrum" and "Dave Emerson" trolls are definitely a more creative, more subtle troll than I usually see on RTTP. In part, his post is correct…..Murrum has had almost a complete lineup change since 2011….the material we're playing now *doesn't* have anything to do with the old material. The "new" Murrum IS better than ever. I am definitely not the creative force behind the band, however, and I'm not going to come online and inflame the already anti-Murrum sentiment by spouting off how "I don't give a shit what you think".

In other words, well played, troll. But still a troll.



toggletoggle post by AtTh3Haunted at Jun 20,2013 9:37pm
Dave%20Emerson said[orig][quote]
I will say that the "Murrum" and "Dave Emerson" trolls are definitely a more creative, more subtle troll than I usually see on RTTP. In part, his post is correct…..Murrum has had almost a complete lineup change since 2011….the material we're playing now *doesn't* have anything to do with the old material. The "new" Murrum IS better than ever. I am definitely not the creative force behind the band, however, and I'm not going to come online and inflame the already anti-Murrum sentiment by spouting off how "I don't give a shit what you think".

In other words, well played, troll. But still a troll.


^Wow what a boring troll. Go home Thunderstool you're drunk.



toggletoggle post by LOVERBOY at Jun 21,2013 6:30am



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jun 21,2013 8:57am
shut%20the%20fuck%20up said[orig][quote]
im so sick of reading this stupid shit about murrum and the legion and all these jealous kids that hate on good music for no reason. people stopped coming to return to the pit because of all the jealous idiots who are pussies and hide behind trolls to deliver some kind of message. there is no reason for you idiots to perpetuate this behavior when bands like murrum and other black metal bands have a solid sound and fanbase that you can't have. i don't understand why you fucking idiots keep trying to push buttons. seeking attention much? whats wrong, nobody goes to your shows that your band plays? nothing will stop good bands from making good music and no matter how hard you try you are going to fail. everyone in murrum know their shit. stop trying to make it sound like they are a bunch of kids who know nothing and cant play music. this track is old and has nothing to do with the band today. stop trying to belittle good bands. karma will get you, you fucking idiots.


but it's bad bands making bad music. HOW DO I RECONCILE THIS?



toggletoggle post by Fuck at Jun 21,2013 11:56am
Anything is more "Subtle" than Thunderstool.



toggletoggle post by Curious Parties at Jun 21,2013 2:47pm
So between the real Murrum the fake Murrum the Real Dave Emerson and the fake Dave Emerson would someone like to answer the following questions:

1. Did everyone in Murrum "quit" the Legion or just Dave?
2. Is The Legion still a thing? Early posts seemed like it was just Dave realizing how fucking stupid it made his band look and bailing. Later posts made it seem like the Legion had disbanded altogether.
3. What does this mean of the "Wolf Kvlt"? The Legion's hilarious offshoot organization.
4. When is Staind gonna come looking for the riffs you stole for that shitty song?



toggletoggle post by chrisREX  at Jun 21,2013 3:02pm
hahaha this song is awful



toggletoggle post by Dave_Emerson at Jun 21,2013 3:27pm
chrisREX said[orig][quote]
hahaha this song is awful


Even the old Murrum is still better than your shitty Century Media band.



toggletoggle post by Dave_Emerson at Jun 21,2013 3:49pm
For the true Murrum elite of CT, you can pick up a copy of our latest release at Strawberries in the Meriden Mall.



toggletoggle post by shut the fuck up at Jun 21,2013 5:10pm
see what i mean? this fake dave emerson name is ridiculous. its so dumb its not even funny. trying to make it sound like you are really him. who cares what happened to the legion? how does any of this effect what you guys do? none of this stuff matters because it has nothing to do with you. why create fake accounts when all youre doing is advertising murrum to the masses. whats funny is that you guys think youre ruining the band but you are making their name known. what you want to do will end up biting you in the ass. i personally think murrum is going places because they have the best live show out of any local black metal band i have seen. have you guys even seen them? probably not... so shut the fuck up.. but i guys wont because you are like little kids in junior high who is trying to pick on someone who is better then you.



toggletoggle post by grilled_dickcheese_sandwich  at Jun 21,2013 5:16pm



toggletoggle post by Curious Parties at Jun 21,2013 5:17pm
None of the above answers any of my questions.



toggletoggle post by DYA is ANALRAPISTING THIS THREAD at Jun 21,2013 7:31pm
shut%20the%20fuck%20up said[orig][quote]
see what i mean? this fake dave emerson name is ridiculous. its so dumb its not even funny. trying to make it sound like you are really him. who cares what happened to the legion? how does any of this effect what you guys do? none of this stuff matters because it has nothing to do with you. why create fake accounts when all youre doing is advertising murrum to the masses. whats funny is that you guys think youre ruining the band but you are making their name known. what you want to do will end up biting you in the ass. i personally think murrum is going places because they have the best live show out of any local black metal band i have seen. have you guys even seen them? probably not... so shut the fuck up.. but i guys wont because you are like little kids in junior high who is trying to pick on someone who is better then you.





toggletoggle post by DYA is ANALRAPISTING THIS THREAD at Jun 21,2013 7:39pm



toggletoggle post by xmikex at Jun 21,2013 7:44pm
Been following this Murrum situation off and on. It's hilarious. A couple of things and then I'll be on my way:

First
shut%20the%20fuck%20up said[orig][quote]
but i guys wont because you are like little kids in junior high who is trying to pick on someone who is better then you.


LOL at someone who puts a sentence together like they're reverse translating from Mandarin calling someone else juvenile. But more importantly, how exactly is Murrum "better [than]" anyone? Even if they were writing good music (which they are not) in what capacity does that make them "better" than people who otherwise don't like it?

Granted, no one in the band has said that. But if I were a Murrum I'd tell my high school dropout friends to STFU and and stop making them look dumb.

Second,
I think this is maybe my first time listening to this band. It's really really bad. I've seen a lot of things come and go over the years. I haven't always been on the right side of everything, but one thing has always been constant: the people looking for the most attention usually have the least to offer. It appears to be the case here as well.

Just food for thought from a washed up nobody.



toggletoggle post by peesoup at Jun 21,2013 8:47pm



toggletoggle post by peesoup at Jun 21,2013 8:48pm



toggletoggle post by Erich Gliebe at Jun 23,2013 2:38am
Seems promising. Keeping an eye on these guys.



toggletoggle post by Burnsy at Jun 23,2013 9:48am
I dunno what all the hate is about. This shit's pretty good.


bennyhillifier



toggletoggle post by Burnsy at Jun 23,2013 9:49am
Great stage banter.



toggletoggle post by Burnsy at Jun 23,2013 10:08am
I don't subscribe to the whole "he's a good dude" thing equating to a band being good, though I met Dave once, and he was a kewl kewl dude and everything else. That having been said, I haven't seen Murrum but watched a video of them at Dusk and I fail to see how anyone could even put them in contention for one of New England's best live acts. Hell, Dave was the only one in the video even moving. So what is the draw to the live show? The candles and other props? If I'm going to watch a band stand around on stage and play their songs, I'd much rather just get baked and listen to their record at home. Sarcomancy, Scaphism, Obsidian Tongue, and Composted are good examples of great live bands for me. They don't just stand around playing their songs while relying on gimmicks/stage props to keep the crowd paying attention and rocking out. Nothing inherently wrong with props/gimmicks/costumes etc, but they should only serve to enhance the music/performance, not distract from them.



toggletoggle post by Chiodos Oliveira at Jun 23,2013 11:31am
shut%20the%20fuck%20up said[orig][quote]
im so sick of reading this stupid shit about murrum and the legion and all these jealous kids that hate on good music for no reason. people stopped coming to return to the pit because of all the jealous idiots who are pussies and hide behind trolls to deliver some kind of message. there is no reason for you idiots to perpetuate this behavior when bands like murrum and other black metal bands have a solid sound and fanbase that you can't have. i don't understand why you fucking idiots keep trying to push buttons. seeking attention much? whats wrong, nobody goes to your shows that your band plays? nothing will stop good bands from making good music and no matter how hard you try you are going to fail. everyone in murrum know their shit. stop trying to make it sound like they are a bunch of kids who know nothing and cant play music. this track is old and has nothing to do with the band today. stop trying to belittle good bands. karma will get you, you fucking idiots.


Good job getting Murrum dropped from the NY date, Katey. Your band slut powers are immense.



toggletoggle post by grilled_dickcheese_sandwich  at Jun 24,2013 5:23pm



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toggletoggle post by Terry Silver at Jun 27,2013 10:14am
Hey, wake up and smell the coffee, Mr. Larusso. Last time you weren't fighting this. 



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