23 executive actions

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/16/obama...unce-gun-control-proposals-shortly/

[Updated at 12:22 p.m. ET] The announcement is over, and Obama is signing the 23 executive actions. These actions are in addition to laws that Obama wants Congress to pass. Here, according to the White House, are the 23 executive actions that he and his administration will do:
1. “Issue a presidential memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.”
2. “Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.”
3. “Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.”
4. “Direct the attorney general to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.”
5. “Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.”
6. “Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.”
7. “Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.”
8. “Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).”
9. “Issue a presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.”
10. “Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.”
11. “Nominate an ATF director.”
12. “Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.”
13. “Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.”
14. “Issue a presidential memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.”
15. “Direct the attorney general to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.”
16. “Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.”
17. “Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.”
18. “Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.”
19. “Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.”
20. “Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.”
21. “Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.”
22. “Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.”
23. “Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.”
24. "Ban Call of Duty video games and reinstate Team Fortress Classic as a standard in war gaming."

Thanks King Obama.

Just put officers at schools wielding dual sub machine guns and everything will be ok.

That's all really cute but how exactly does this address situations like Sandy Hook where the shooter obtained the firearms by stealing them from a legal gun owner?

LOL @ having kids around him when he announced these.

The government will agree not to stage another event if we obey.

Thank goodness. ::wipes sweat off brow::

Thread has nothing to do with the upcoming Raising Kubrick show at the Newtonville VFW, marked for deletion.

Sounds like several million taxpayer dollars down the drain to tell people who already know better to keep the safety on and not to point a gun at someone.



And what exactly is a "resource officer?" The schools that will have the money for armed security guards are the schools that won't need them. I had armed police officers in my high school every day of the week. No one ever got shot, but it didn't do much to keep people from being stabbed, beat up, thrown through a car wind shield, or beaten with a chair. Also there was at least 1 suicide attempt with a plastic cafeteria knife but the Mariyln Manson teen suicide fad is old newz.



Well now we know why Romney's "General Chaos or f@ggot" platform bombed

It is very hard to maintain respect, customs, and curtousys for the POTUS after this. Seriously. My mind = boggled.

http://news.yahoo.com/kids-write-letters-o...l-145252735--abc-news-politics.html



I don't see how ANYONE on ANY SIDE could see this as appropriate.

I don't know, man, kids writing the President about this after the tragedy was legit, and the victim's families wanted to be a part of this. Should they have been ignored in all this discussion? It's hard to say kids don't have an interest after what happened.

The real issue is whether all this will actually make a difference or not. Some of the ideas like having an ATF head are common sense, others like the school resource officer I'm more skeptical about.

My discussions with you guys on this topic have convinced me that instead of pursuing the assault weapons ban or any other ban, it makes a lot more sense to take the same restrictions on machine guns that make them accessible to responsible citizens but have kept them out of the hands of criminals, and just expand that to cover all guns capable of quickly firing and reloading.

I vote Sponge Bob Square Pants for Atf Director.

THIS WAS BEFORE DISNEY GOT INVOLVED. DISNEY OWNS ABC AND WILL MOST LIKELY MAKE THIS HAPPEN NOW, AFTER YEARS OF RUMORS. GET OFF YOUR FACEBOOK HIGH HORSES

Old News

Milquetoast bill is milquetoast. Using kids to win points is just fucking execrable. However, this part



implying FPSs are "wargames" is grounds for a revolution. [/grognard militia assembling at my house tonight]

*sends 20,000 armed conscripts to worcester*

some of these commmon sense and some of these are overreaching, especially #24.

What a circus. This administration is more of a joke than I ever imagined (and I already imagined it was a joke). Cool kid props, bro.

So his executive actions will do nothing more than spend more money the country doesn't have. I see he left any "bans" to pass through Congress, where they luckily will die -- cool political move, bro.

This.

Political theatricals gonna political theater.

This country needs to become like Europe. Fuck the 2nd amendment!!!!

*waits patiently for the next massacre*

NRA Statement in Response to President
Obama's Gun Control Proposals

Fairfax, Va. – Throughout its history, the National Rifle Association has led efforts to promote safety and responsible gun ownership. Keeping our children and society safe remains our top priority.

The NRA will continue to focus on keeping our children safe and securing our schools, fixing our broken mental health system, and prosecuting violent criminals to the fullest extent of the law. We look forward to working with Congress on a bi-partisan basis to find real solutions to protecting America’s most valuable asset – our children.

Attacking firearms and ignoring children is not a solution to the crisis we face as a nation. Only honest, law-abiding gun owners will be affected and our children will remain vulnerable to the inevitability of more tragedy.


Clearly a drama queen contest here.

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Fuck off already.

WHAT ABOUT THE ELDERLY? WHAT ARE THEY? MINCED MEAT?

Wow that's cold dude...

Children are the worst.

DEPORT!

Ban Children!

Schools made kids write those letters, and the killer used four hand guns, no asssault rifles. Will this stop random acts of violence, no. Why hasnt the media focused on the other cases were the shooter got stopped by someone with a gun? This country is turning into a dry old pussy and will fart itself away. Amerika LOVES their guns.

It comes down to the fact that children want to be safe and don't understand that banning guns doesn't make guns dissapear from the planet. Any adult should know that so exploiting them to push an agenda is wrong.

Why doesnt our president discuss operation Fast and Furious, where they sent and lost all those assault rifles to mexican drug dealers? Why doesnt he discuss arming rebels in other countries with these weapons?

Fast & Furious -- Obama's people fucked up hard, so let's just sweep that one right under the table. John Q. Moron knows little or nothing about that story anyway, because no children involved (well, no American ones anyway).

Arming rebels -- what? We would never do that! (SM: *explodes*)

lol

Which is why I said the assault weapons ban isn't the way to go, because that wouldn't address semi-automatic handguns.

As far as schools MAKING kids say stuff, you may be surprised to hear this but kids do actually have opinions about this shooting. They are legit freaked out about it, including my own six year old, and no one told her to say that.

I don't see what's so shocking about any of this. None of it represents a serious change to laws about gun ownership or even touches on 2nd amendment issues. Making sure the current regulations for gun purchases are free of loopholes and attempting to put a band-aid on the massive cracks in the mental health system that have existed since the Reagan administration seem to be pretty mild approaches, and really shouldn't affect anyone's gun ownership unless they have serious records of violent crime or major mental stability.

Also, Aril made up #24, geniuses...

His people like our friends in the ATF fucked up hard or the operation went right as according to plan? I'd say the latter.

We had no ATF head for six years was one obvious problem, because for some reason the GOP in Congress blocked it consistently, which is why having an ATF head had to be passed by executive order.

ITT: the opinions of 6 year olds matter

I don't see anyone shocked ITT. Do you mean in general? Personally, the approach with the executive orders seems reasonable (except for that fucking gun safety campaign). I guess if you mean in general, I could see people freaking out regarding his speech about an assault weapon and large capacity magazine ban though, as pointed out ITT won't pass Congress anyway.

The reason it turns heads is exactly BECAUSE the executive orders are back-door as all hell; using children, gun violence, etc. to pass orders that only have partly to do with guns at all. Since it is to 'curb gun violence' and save kids; he could literally pass whatever he wants as long as it is worded fluffy enough.


I am exaggerating a bit; but that's the jist of why some people find it...'weird'.

Maybe "shocked" wasn't the right term, how about "up in arms"? Haha... Anyway, I don't have a strong opinion on the legislative proposals he's talking about but the executive orders seem well within the bounds of his legal authority.

Though, Re: Fast/Furious, the hypocritical multi-tiered justice system with which the executive protects its favored rackets (in drugs, weapons, money laundering, insider trading, WMD secrets, political crime, and allegedly even "white" slavery) is still the greatest impediment to "law and order" in our society.

Fuckin nigger.

this is stupid. just stop letting mentally fucked up people OR PEOPLE WITH MENTALLY FUCKED UP KIDS buy guns.

If your kids are stupid, you cant buy guns. end of story. Chances are you're pretty dumb too and will forget to lock them up and your idiot kid will steal them.

True, and I understand the appeal of that reasoning, but some people who become mass shooters aren't highlighted as mentally ill before the shooting, and getting the federal government to determine and enforce that standard is a potential threat to liberty - because where is the line? Should military vets with PTSD not be allowed to hunt game with a single or double shot gun due to their status? What about people with bipolar and/or depression having guns? ADHD? Fear of Failure? Anyone who has ever had therapy? Even just someone that somebody else reported as acting oddly? Aren't we all at least a little bit crazy? I'm not trying to diminish these things because they do exist as much as to say that there are ambiguities to the human mind represented in the ambiguities separating these mental conditions, and the line between sanity and insanity is too blurry to stake everything on when it comes to stuff like this - because sometimes, the shooter has no criminal record or mental health diagnosis, but everyone after the fact loves to say "he's crazy", in great part to make themselves feel better. A lot of good mental health restrictions on guns to do stop that guy.

Well for once we agree on something, haha.


A certain someone has already coined an apt term for it: "Thought Crime".

Yeah, poignant questions shadow.

the only solution is ED-209.

everywhere.

The only solution to this is to invent lightsabers and bring back real melee combat.

The real question that begs to be asked is, when will our goverment step in and take away WATER GUNS from litttle asshole kids? Sometimes those fuckers have Super Soakers and those fuckers shoot far. Congress needs to call for stricter laws regarding this matter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders

THERE IS NO REASON FOR A CHILD TO HAVE ANYTHING OVER A SUPER SOAKER 50. LIKE THIS STATUS IF YOU AGREE.

Wow, the last two presidents.....

Indication of the downward spiral of this nation. Expect even worse in years to come.

i'm more looking forward to when the shit doesn't hit the fan.

Rallies on Saturday -- find your state here: http://www.facebook.com/events/144639815690301/

Thought you ain't have no facebook?

I don't. I got this email from Gun Owners of NH this morning:

MINUTEMAN ALERT

Clarification About The Proposed

"Guns Across America" Event,

Saturday, January 19, "High noon",

at the State House in Concord, NH
NOTE: THIS EVENT IS NOT SPONSORED BY GO-NH
This Saturday, January 19, 2013, there MAY be a rally at the NH State House (or nearby) in Concord, NH, starting at noon, according to several mailings GO-NH members have received in recent days. There are supposed to be similar rallies at state capitols across the country, also on Saturday, Jan. 19. GO-NH does not have full information on this proposed rally, as this rally is not the work of GO-NH.

GO-NH is neither encouraging nor discouraging members from attending this or any other (non GO-NH sponsored) rally in support of the right to bear arms or the U.S. Constitution, but is warning its members (as it does for any official pro-firearms rally) that the press may be present and may be looking for any and all negative images of firearms owners, in order to disparage NH, the right to keep and bear arms, and firearms rights advocacy groups. To this extent, GO-NH offers these recommendations for anyone planning to attend the proposed rally on Saturday (or any other pro-firearms rally, for that matter):

Do not wear camouflage clothing; Wear the best clothing possible for the weather conditions
Do not litter or leave signs, posters, etc. behind after the rally, except in approved trash recepticles
If you carry openly, keep handguns holstered and carry long guns in a safe and non threatening manner; Note that, due to the overwhelmingly negative reporting by most press organizations, GO-NH recommends that you NOT carry openly at any pro-firearms rally
If you don't have a license to carry concealed, make sure no part of your clothing obscures the firearm from view (i.e it is "openly" carried) and also be sure that you do not carry the firearm loaded and/or concealed in a motor vehicle (per RSA 159:4)
Be aware that RSA 111:15 Armed Civilian Groups (link here) provides penalties (including misdemeanor charges and firearms confiscation) if you are armed and perceived as participating in a "combination of persons" as described in the statute
In general, avoid contact with the press but, if you must make contact with them, be respectful and stick to relevant points when speaking about firearms and your right to own them; The press is always looking for an attendee to who is inarticulate and will present firearms advocates in a bad light: Don't be that attendee!
If you do see someone behaving poorly or stupidly, and you have a still or video camera, please take as many pictures or record as much video of the miscreant as possible -- It may be a plant from one of the many anti-firearms civil rights organizations, and your video or stills could help to identify the person and their anti-firearms organization
If you do attend the rally, you are encouraged to take pictures and videos of the rally, to show how peaceful and respectful lawful firearms owners really are.

___

So I went ahead and googled the event and found the Fagbook page. No, I probably won't attend. Ice-fishing > gun rallies.

Site was messing with me earlier. Double post.

i'm sure these rallies will be half misinformed people that thinks the government wants to ban guns and change the 2nd amendment, and counts any discussion about gun crime control as an affront to their civil liberties, while the other half will just be a harmless circle jerk about which ones they own.

Well the 'government' doesn't, at least some of them and hopefully they will be the ones that protect the 2nd Amendment in congress. But, please explain how Obama doesn't want to ban guns/change the 2nd Amendment?

it's politically impossible to change an amendment, and in the 23 executive orders, banning any gun isn't even mentioned. so the burden is actually on you to explain why he does want to ban them or change the amendment.

Because he has said over and over in the passed weeks that he wants an 'assault weapon' ban, among other things?

Like I said (I hope) congress will protect that from actually happening.



This is just the first quote I could find very fast:

“Weapons designed for a theater of war have no place in a movie theater,” Obama continued. “A majority of Americans agree with us on this. And, by the way, so did Ronald Reagan – one of the staunches defenders of the Second Amendment – who wrote to Congress in 1994 urging them – this is Ronald Reagan speaking – urging them to listen to the public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of military-style assault weapons.”


EDIT:

Here is another -

“But I also share your belief that weapons that were designed for soldiers in war theaters don’t belong on our streets. And so what I’m trying to do is to get a broader conversation about how do we reduce the violence generally. Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced. But part of it is also looking at other sources of the violence. Because frankly, in my home town of Chicago, there’s an awful lot of violence and they’re not using AK-47s. They’re using cheap hand guns.”

fair enough - i think the fear of losing civil liberties and personal gun ownership is just totally being blown out of proportion after the US media was done covering the fiscal cliff and sandy hook.

New York just passed a tough law. It's up to the states. I guess they banned magazines with more than 7 clips. It's kind of silly, it's also silly to see people that are worried that they won't be able to fight back and shoot feds with less than 8 bullets when the race war or civil war or revolution or disarming of civilians or whatever is totally gonna happen.

so what is wrong with the assault weapons ban? do you see that as a slippery slope? forgive me if this has been discussed a million times.

Yes it is a slippery slope, but also 'assault weapons' aren't a real thing.


http://www.assaultweapon.info/

good site, i did know the difference and fuck me i'm guilty of political semantic. but i didn't know the ineffectiveness of the ban or how terrible that law actually was. i always thought when people talked about that they were talking about the ban on machine guns.

Excellent link. Thanks for sharing.

NEED MOAR AWP

i'm skeptical that the 2nd amendment is actually under attack, period. if it is, i'm personally way more concerned about amendment #1 if we're talking slippery slopes. i don't think the "awb" will be introduced. it shouldn't, it's a bad law. The NRA isn't making themselves look any better these days either.

like anything they need regulation. totally in favor of background checks and douchebag screens so people like dukemanjunk don't have a LTC that makes their mindcock an inch bigger.

You had me at mindcock.

Haha, I own 2 of the firearms featured on that site.

If one of them is a SCAR 16S then I am jelly. My friend has one; they are going for $5000.00+right now, fuuuuu-.

Good gun.

Nah, the Mini-14 and the S+W shrouded hammer wheel gun are mine.

Re: Burnsy and Boozegod

Tanks, guys.

Fantasy has no place in this thread, Shadow.

Fantasy? If you get shot, you spin around and the other guy gets a point, just like in real life. DAT SHITZ REAL YO