I thought this was gonna suck considering the last album and almost didn't bother to listen but the original guitar player is back and heard good things. Sounds good thus far. I will have to say the artwork sucks ass though. It seems they have returned.
I thought this was gonna suck considering the last album and almost didn't bother to listen but the original guitar player is back.
act
See, I told you the only reason this album might be redeeming is the fact that Jon Levasseur is back.
It will amuse me if they just released two tracks that are slightly reminiscent of Whisper Supremacy, only to then douche everyone with a full on Incubus/Deathcore hybrid style, again.
post by MikeOv at Aug 14,2012 2:26am
Strike "act".
post by Spence at Aug 14,2012 2:47am edited Aug 14,2012 2:47am
I never got the hype with this band, even their older stuff is pretty painful to listen to IMO.
It's kind of like how I am with Suffocation and Origin. These bands do cool things and are obviously talented as fuck, but I personally just can't get into that more brutal side of death metal.
As a whole though, it wouldn't surprise me if this album is mainly their newer deathcore shit - just with one or two "good oldschool" songs.
post by Mark_R at Aug 14,2012 7:54am edited Aug 14,2012 7:54am
^ agreed.
It's been so long since I was nuts over Cryptopsy that I'd have to make an effort to really get back into them, but I'll check these songs out in a little bit.
I remember kids used to flip their lids over these guys, they were one of the pillars of death metal through ATYB. You could sense they were struggling to "hang on" around the time of None So Live which was a good effort with its vocalist. But the fall from grace for them in the last decade was maybe the biggest downward spiral for any major death metal band. Lately it was looking like when the history of death metal gets written, Cryptopsy would be reduced to just a footnote when once they were demigods. They have an uphill battle to get back up in the pantheon.
I personally just can't get into that more brutal side of death metal.
I blame Aril for this kid.
And I'm still not convinced that this isn't some elaborate troll.
post by arilliusbm at Aug 14,2012 8:33am edited Aug 14,2012 8:33am
I like all their older material. Just Lord Worm was a unique vocalist and had character. Before I bought it,
I remember listening to Whisper Supremacy tracks on mp3.com when the album came out and that site was good.
BRING BACK MP3.COM
post by ark in ur base at Aug 14,2012 8:34am
I liked Lord Worm, I liked Once Was Not, this new song is way to polished and I'd rather spin WS once again, nice try MES FRERES
I'm the King of Worcester Death Metal and even I have never been a big fan of Cryptopsy. Never understood why they got so big. Also I don't understand liking death metal and not liking Suffocation and Origin.
Also, the Craptopsy track isn't terrible, and certainly not as laughable as the last album. BUT, I did see at least 2 instances of faux-hawks on the YouTube clips. Is it that the French just can't help but look gay?
I consider aggression/rageeeee to be something different from brutality.
Aggression is something found in punk, thrash, all death metal, etc.
I think Obituary, early Sepultura, Pestilence, Death, etc, etc. is all aggressive as fuck. (and awesome)
I think Dying Fetus, Suffocation, Brain Drill, Cattle Decapitation, etc. is brutal as fuck. (and not my cup of tea)
There is certainly some aspects of brutality in Obituary, early Sepultura, Pestilence, Death, etc. and I like all these bands as well. Though they are not the same type of death metal as Dying Fetus (boring), Suffocation (good up to their EP), Brain Drill (boring), Cattle Decapitation (needs to go away), or Origin (fairly awesome). Some bands just do it right and others don't.
post by ark in ur base at Aug 14,2012 10:32am
overthinking death metal 101
post by ark in ur base at Aug 14,2012 10:33am
brain drill, cattle decap, origin all have grind elements in it. so does cryptopsy. just say you don't like grind. if i have to think about a difference between agressive death metal and brutal death metal please kill me.
I like Dystopia but they have other genres fused, and I like some Carcass. But that's really about it.
I wasn't saying brutal death metal and aggressive death metal were genres, I just think of brutality as the descriptive term to the death metal I don't like.
post by J. Walter Weatherman at Aug 14,2012 10:37am
brain drill, cattle decap, origin all have grind elements in it. so does cryptopsy. just say you don't like grind. if i have to think about a difference between agressive death metal and brutal death metal please kill me.
I always just considered grind to be bands like Phobia, Nasum, Napalm Death, Insect Warfare, etc.
Based off what i've heard and seen live, it was just never my thing. So I never cared to properly identify the genre.
If you have any bands that will totally shatter my perspective on grindcore though, i'm welcome to suggestions.
I dunno, probably not. You seem to have a decent grasp on it, though I can't get into Phobia and Nasum anymore and only like 80s Napalm Death and Insect Warfare.
I've got a good handle on all kinds of primitive stuff that sounds like the olds these days, but probably not your thing.
One thing there's an outside chance you may dig...
Absolutely love the first 4 albums. The first 2 especially were a big influence on my bass playing & drum programming for the most recent Despoilment material and some of the stuff I was writing during the last days of Bane of Existence.
I guess I can sort of understand the "not being into the categorization" thing, but being a guy who prefers to not just know, but know why I like a band, I like genre discussions a lot. Not to mention, if you're able to sort bands like you would sort books in a library, it's easier to find more cool shit to listen to and get other people into more things they might like.
I guess I can sort of understand the "not being into the categorization" thing, but being a guy who prefers to not just know, but know why I like a band, I like genre discussions a lot. Not to mention, if you're able to sort bands like you would sort books in a library, it's easier to find more cool shit to listen to and get other people into more things they might like.
I can totally appreciate this. I guess I am all over the map as to what I like vs what I don't. I'll give anything a listen once regardless of genre. Being a product of the 80's you guys would be mortified at some of the stuff I like lol
brain drill, cattle decap, origin all have grind elements in it. so does cryptopsy. just say you don't like grind. if i have to think about a difference between agressive death metal and brutal death metal please kill me.
head...
exploding...
am I wrong here? ice sewn them categorized as tech death grind a lot
I dunno, perhaps I'm kind being kind of elitist, but all grind is "punk grind" to me and "tech grind" is a complete oxymoron. When a band displays technical prowess aside from blast beats, they just become a death/black metal band in my eyes.
post by arilliusbm at Aug 14,2012 12:06pm edited Aug 14,2012 12:07pm
What about shit like The Berzerker?
post by MikeOv at Aug 14,2012 12:07pm
Discordance Axis - The Inalienable Dreamless could be labeled "tech grind".
Discordance Axis - The Inalienable Dreamless could be labeled "tech grind".
Discordance Axis is also a freak, one of a kind band that while I like (not the album you mentioned as much as Jouhou, but I digress), they're such an oddball band that I would never tell people they're essential and I also get skeptical whenever someone who likes grind lists this as one of their favorite bands.
The thing that makes DA even harder to put in a place is that when you really listen to the riffs, they use odd chords, but it seems like a lot of the riffs are very simplistic aside from that... technical? Maybe?
post by MikeOv at Aug 14,2012 12:32pm
This is what matters to me at 12:30 this afternoon
This is actually pretty rad. Happy to hear it's not just the fucking "Flo Show" anymore.
Lord Worm is awful. DiSalvo was the shit. I know that's not the popular viewpoint, but "Whisper Supremacy" is one of the most insanely brutal albums ever, and his vocals are a big part of that, IMO.
None So Vile would be at least 10% better if Worm wasn't howling over those riffs. haha.
I don't really listen to Cryptopsy, or much Deathmetal at all these days, but NSV, and WS are unfuckwithable.
I don't think Cryptopsy's riffing and song structures bear much resemblance to grind at all, just because aside from the drumming (Flo Mournier is above grindcore drummers with his level of ability, btw) that grind is a primitive genre and always has been.
Perhaps guys in that band listen to what I would consider "true" grind, but just because a band has slight hints of that in their sound doesn't mean it's what a band is. My band has blast beats and it's debatable that we have touches of old Napalm Death, but we're not a grind band.
post by arilliusbm at Aug 14,2012 1:47pm edited Aug 14,2012 1:52pm
Lykathea Aflame:
spiritual death metal with melodic metal influence but GRIND elements all throughout. Tomas Corn from Garbage Disposal drummed on Elvenefris. If you disagree, you are WRONG.
There are plenty of grind bands out there that have death metal or perhaps more overt punk influence that I wouldn't consider those other genres too. Whole lot of "grindviolence" out there these days. The Magrudergrind/ACxDC school of such piss didn't really age so well to me, just sounds diluted.
post by Mark_R at Aug 14,2012 1:58pm edited Aug 14,2012 1:58pm