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returntothepit >> discuss >> Cryptopsy newer track, actually isn't bad. by chernobyl on Aug 14,2012 2:05am
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toggletoggle post by chernobyl at Aug 14,2012 2:05am

bennyhillifier

I thought this was gonna suck considering the last album and almost didn't bother to listen but the original guitar player is back and heard good things. Sounds good thus far. I will have to say the artwork sucks ass though. It seems they have returned.
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toggletoggle post by MikeOv at Aug 14,2012 2:25am
chernobyl said[orig][quote]

I thought this was gonna suck considering the last album and almost didn't bother to listen but the original guitar player is back.
act

See, I told you the only reason this album might be redeeming is the fact that Jon Levasseur is back.

It will amuse me if they just released two tracks that are slightly reminiscent of Whisper Supremacy, only to then douche everyone with a full on Incubus/Deathcore hybrid style, again.



toggletoggle post by MikeOv at Aug 14,2012 2:26am
Strike "act".



toggletoggle post by Spence at Aug 14,2012 2:47am edited Aug 14,2012 2:47am
I never got the hype with this band, even their older stuff is pretty painful to listen to IMO.



toggletoggle post by chernobyl at Aug 14,2012 3:00am
Spence said[orig][quote]
I never got the hype with this band, even their older stuff is pretty painful to listen to IMO.


k



toggletoggle post by Spence at Aug 14,2012 3:04am
Don't get me wrong, I still respect these guys.

It's kind of like how I am with Suffocation and Origin. These bands do cool things and are obviously talented as fuck, but I personally just can't get into that more brutal side of death metal.

As a whole though, it wouldn't surprise me if this album is mainly their newer deathcore shit - just with one or two "good oldschool" songs.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Aug 14,2012 7:03am
No Lord Worm, no care.



toggletoggle post by trioxin_245  at Aug 14,2012 7:47am
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
No Lord Worm, no care.


Whisper Supremacy was a killer album.



toggletoggle post by Mark_R at Aug 14,2012 7:54am edited Aug 14,2012 7:54am
^ agreed.

It's been so long since I was nuts over Cryptopsy that I'd have to make an effort to really get back into them, but I'll check these songs out in a little bit.

I remember kids used to flip their lids over these guys, they were one of the pillars of death metal through ATYB. You could sense they were struggling to "hang on" around the time of None So Live which was a good effort with its vocalist. But the fall from grace for them in the last decade was maybe the biggest downward spiral for any major death metal band. Lately it was looking like when the history of death metal gets written, Cryptopsy would be reduced to just a footnote when once they were demigods. They have an uphill battle to get back up in the pantheon.



toggletoggle post by largefreakatzero at Aug 14,2012 8:22am
Spence said[orig][quote]


I personally just can't get into that more brutal side of death metal.


I blame Aril for this kid.

And I'm still not convinced that this isn't some elaborate troll.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Aug 14,2012 8:33am edited Aug 14,2012 8:33am
I like all their older material. Just Lord Worm was a unique vocalist and had character. Before I bought it,
I remember listening to Whisper Supremacy tracks on mp3.com when the album came out and that site was good.

BRING BACK MP3.COM



toggletoggle post by ark in ur base at Aug 14,2012 8:34am
I liked Lord Worm, I liked Once Was Not, this new song is way to polished and I'd rather spin WS once again, nice try MES FRERES



toggletoggle post by ark in ur base at Aug 14,2012 8:40am
largefreakatzero said[orig][quote]
Spence said[orig][quote]


I personally just can't get into that more brutal side of death metal.


I blame Aril for this kid.

And I'm still not convinced that this isn't some elaborate troll.



not a troll. but i have no idea what he means. you either like death metal or you don't. there is no two sides, just bad bands.



toggletoggle post by Spence at Aug 14,2012 8:45am
I like my death metal thrashie, I like my death metal proggie/jazzie and I like my death metal doom-esque.

Don't really care too much for brutality and technical wankery.



toggletoggle post by xmikex at Aug 14,2012 9:29am
Spence said[orig][quote]
Don't get me wrong, I still respect these guys.


Well don't.

Remember the shitfit they threw when they found out their old fans weren't behind them wanting to be the next Puff Daddy? This band is over with.



toggletoggle post by Lamp  at Aug 14,2012 9:31am
Spence said[orig][quote]
I never got the hype with this band, even their older stuff is pretty painful to listen to IMO.


This. Cryptopsy is the kind of death metal that made me think I didn't like death metal for years.



toggletoggle post by KEVORD  at Aug 14,2012 9:35am
I'm the King of Worcester Death Metal and even I have never been a big fan of Cryptopsy. Never understood why they got so big. Also I don't understand liking death metal and not liking Suffocation and Origin.



toggletoggle post by largefreakatzero at Aug 14,2012 9:59am
If it doesn't have some aspect of brutality/aggression/hatefulness, chances are it isn't death metal, but some other sub-genre.

Or currently, it's some faggots wearing girl pants that are pretending.



toggletoggle post by largefreakatzero at Aug 14,2012 10:07am
Also, the Craptopsy track isn't terrible, and certainly not as laughable as the last album. BUT, I did see at least 2 instances of faux-hawks on the YouTube clips. Is it that the French just can't help but look gay?



toggletoggle post by Spence at Aug 14,2012 10:09am
I consider aggression/rageeeee to be something different from brutality.

Aggression is something found in punk, thrash, all death metal, etc.

I think Obituary, early Sepultura, Pestilence, Death, etc, etc. is all aggressive as fuck. (and awesome)

I think Dying Fetus, Suffocation, Brain Drill, Cattle Decapitation, etc. is brutal as fuck. (and not my cup of tea)




toggletoggle post by largefreakatzero at Aug 14,2012 10:32am
Spence said[orig][quote]
I consider aggression/rageeeee to be something different from brutality.

Aggression is something found in punk, thrash, all death metal, etc.

I think Obituary, early Sepultura, Pestilence, Death, etc, etc. is all aggressive as fuck. (and awesome)

I think Dying Fetus, Suffocation, Brain Drill, Cattle Decapitation, etc. is brutal as fuck. (and not my cup of tea)




There is certainly some aspects of brutality in Obituary, early Sepultura, Pestilence, Death, etc. and I like all these bands as well. Though they are not the same type of death metal as Dying Fetus (boring), Suffocation (good up to their EP), Brain Drill (boring), Cattle Decapitation (needs to go away), or Origin (fairly awesome). Some bands just do it right and others don't.



toggletoggle post by ark in ur base at Aug 14,2012 10:32am
overthinking death metal 101



toggletoggle post by ark in ur base at Aug 14,2012 10:33am
brain drill, cattle decap, origin all have grind elements in it. so does cryptopsy. just say you don't like grind. if i have to think about a difference between agressive death metal and brutal death metal please kill me.



toggletoggle post by Spence at Aug 14,2012 10:35am
I just don't like the overproduced, MEGA BLAST BEATS, technical wankery death metal.

I'm also VERY picky when it comes to harsh vocals and can't stand pig squealing, most black metal vocals, etc.



toggletoggle post by Spence at Aug 14,2012 10:36am
No I definitely don't like grindcore, at all.

I like Dystopia but they have other genres fused, and I like some Carcass. But that's really about it.

I wasn't saying brutal death metal and aggressive death metal were genres, I just think of brutality as the descriptive term to the death metal I don't like.



toggletoggle post by J. Walter Weatherman at Aug 14,2012 10:37am
Spence said[orig][quote]
I just don't like the overproduced, MEGA BLAST BEATS, technical wankery death metal.

I'm also VERY picky when it comes to harsh vocals and can't stand pig squealing, most black metal vocals, etc.


And THAT'S why you don't let n00bz post on your forum.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Aug 14,2012 10:40am
i put Cryptopsy and Hate Eternal in the same boring-as-fuck category.



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Aug 14,2012 10:44am
thank you for filling us in on all of your likes and dislikes. now i can rest more easily.



toggletoggle post by ark in ur base at Aug 14,2012 10:46am
hahaha



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Aug 14,2012 10:48am edited Aug 14,2012 10:51am
J.%20Walter%20Weatherman said[orig][quote]
Spence said[orig][quote]
I just don't like the overproduced, MEGA BLAST BEATS, technical wankery death metal.

I'm also VERY picky when it comes to harsh vocals and can't stand pig squealing, most black metal vocals, etc.


And THAT'S why you don't let n00bz post on your forum.


Yea, because no one else is a noob here.



toggletoggle post by Lamp  at Aug 14,2012 10:55am
ark%20in%20ur%20base said[orig][quote]
brain drill, cattle decap, origin all have grind elements in it. so does cryptopsy. just say you don't like grind. if i have to think about a difference between agressive death metal and brutal death metal please kill me.


head...

exploding...



toggletoggle post by Lamp  at Aug 14,2012 10:57am
Spence said[orig][quote]
No I definitely don't like grindcore, at all.

I like Dystopia but they have other genres fused, and I like some Carcass. But that's really about it.


Damn dude, seems you need to brush up on your shit.

Dystopia is definitely NOT a grind band and I wouldn't consider Carcass one either.

Aside from this, what bands would you consider to be grind?



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Aug 14,2012 10:58am edited Aug 14,2012 10:59am
The simple answer is:


Death metal should be gritty, not over-produced. It was never meant to have pop-like production. I don't care what sub genre it is.



toggletoggle post by Spence at Aug 14,2012 10:59am
I always just considered grind to be bands like Phobia, Nasum, Napalm Death, Insect Warfare, etc.

Based off what i've heard and seen live, it was just never my thing. So I never cared to properly identify the genre.

If you have any bands that will totally shatter my perspective on grindcore though, i'm welcome to suggestions.



toggletoggle post by largefreakatzero at Aug 14,2012 10:59am
ark%20in%20ur%20base said[orig][quote]
overthinking death metal 101


Yeah definitely, I need to get out of this stupid fucking thread. Later.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Aug 14,2012 11:01am
Lamp likes punk grind.



toggletoggle post by Lamp  at Aug 14,2012 11:01am
Spence said[orig][quote]
I always just considered grind to be bands like Phobia, Nasum, Napalm Death, Insect Warfare, etc.

Based off what i've heard and seen live, it was just never my thing. So I never cared to properly identify the genre.

If you have any bands that will totally shatter my perspective on grindcore though, i'm welcome to suggestions.


I dunno, probably not. You seem to have a decent grasp on it, though I can't get into Phobia and Nasum anymore and only like 80s Napalm Death and Insect Warfare.

I've got a good handle on all kinds of primitive stuff that sounds like the olds these days, but probably not your thing.

One thing there's an outside chance you may dig...


bennyhillifier



toggletoggle post by MetalThursday  at Aug 14,2012 11:02am
Absolutely love the first 4 albums. The first 2 especially were a big influence on my bass playing & drum programming for the most recent Despoilment material and some of the stuff I was writing during the last days of Bane of Existence.



toggletoggle post by Lamp  at Aug 14,2012 11:02am
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
Death metal should be gritty, not over-produced. It was never meant to have pop-like production. I don't care what sub genre it is.


+1 like button



toggletoggle post by CurlyRed at Aug 14,2012 11:03am
I think it is easier to like a band or not...all this categorization makes my head spin lol



toggletoggle post by Spence at Aug 14,2012 11:06am
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
Lamp likes punk grind.


So... crust? haha

And thanks Lamp, i'll check that album out later today. I've heard of Terrorizer plenty, but I don't think I ever actually listened to them before.



toggletoggle post by Lamp  at Aug 14,2012 11:07am
I guess I can sort of understand the "not being into the categorization" thing, but being a guy who prefers to not just know, but know why I like a band, I like genre discussions a lot. Not to mention, if you're able to sort bands like you would sort books in a library, it's easier to find more cool shit to listen to and get other people into more things they might like.



toggletoggle post by Lamp  at Aug 14,2012 11:08am
Spence said[orig][quote]
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
Lamp likes punk grind.


So... crust? haha


Nope. Two different genres. They blend together sometimes, but punk grind does not equal crust.



toggletoggle post by CurlyRed at Aug 14,2012 11:15am
Lamp said[orig][quote]
I guess I can sort of understand the "not being into the categorization" thing, but being a guy who prefers to not just know, but know why I like a band, I like genre discussions a lot. Not to mention, if you're able to sort bands like you would sort books in a library, it's easier to find more cool shit to listen to and get other people into more things they might like.


I can totally appreciate this. I guess I am all over the map as to what I like vs what I don't. I'll give anything a listen once regardless of genre. Being a product of the 80's you guys would be mortified at some of the stuff I like lol



toggletoggle post by ark at Aug 14,2012 11:59am
Lamp said[orig][quote]
ark%20in%20ur%20base said[orig][quote]
brain drill, cattle decap, origin all have grind elements in it. so does cryptopsy. just say you don't like grind. if i have to think about a difference between agressive death metal and brutal death metal please kill me.


head...

exploding...


am I wrong here? ice sewn them categorized as tech death grind a lot



toggletoggle post by Lamp  at Aug 14,2012 12:04pm
I dunno, perhaps I'm kind being kind of elitist, but all grind is "punk grind" to me and "tech grind" is a complete oxymoron. When a band displays technical prowess aside from blast beats, they just become a death/black metal band in my eyes.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Aug 14,2012 12:06pm edited Aug 14,2012 12:07pm
What about shit like The Berzerker?



toggletoggle post by MikeOv at Aug 14,2012 12:07pm
Discordance Axis - The Inalienable Dreamless could be labeled "tech grind".



toggletoggle post by Lamp  at Aug 14,2012 12:11pm
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
What about shit like The Berzerker?


Who?



toggletoggle post by Lamp  at Aug 14,2012 12:12pm
MikeOv said[orig][quote]
Discordance Axis - The Inalienable Dreamless could be labeled "tech grind".


Discordance Axis is also a freak, one of a kind band that while I like (not the album you mentioned as much as Jouhou, but I digress), they're such an oddball band that I would never tell people they're essential and I also get skeptical whenever someone who likes grind lists this as one of their favorite bands.



toggletoggle post by MikeOv at Aug 14,2012 12:15pm
I prefer Jouhou as well, but just slightly.



toggletoggle post by Lamp  at Aug 14,2012 12:21pm
The thing that makes DA even harder to put in a place is that when you really listen to the riffs, they use odd chords, but it seems like a lot of the riffs are very simplistic aside from that... technical? Maybe?



toggletoggle post by MikeOv at Aug 14,2012 12:32pm
This is what matters to me at 12:30 this afternoon

[YOUTUBE=BNMpO55nCmk+

+ 324's Customized Circle



toggletoggle post by MikeOv at Aug 14,2012 12:32pm



toggletoggle post by MikeOv at Aug 14,2012 12:33pm
That's more like it.



toggletoggle post by The_Rooster  at Aug 14,2012 12:41pm
This is actually pretty rad. Happy to hear it's not just the fucking "Flo Show" anymore.

Lord Worm is awful. DiSalvo was the shit. I know that's not the popular viewpoint, but "Whisper Supremacy" is one of the most insanely brutal albums ever, and his vocals are a big part of that, IMO.

None So Vile would be at least 10% better if Worm wasn't howling over those riffs. haha.

I don't really listen to Cryptopsy, or much Deathmetal at all these days, but NSV, and WS are unfuckwithable.



toggletoggle post by zyklon at Aug 14,2012 12:51pm
This shit sucks



toggletoggle post by ark in ur base at Aug 14,2012 1:34pm
DEP - Calculating Infinity, it's grind, it's tech, and pretty far from the death metal spectrum.



toggletoggle post by ark in ur base at Aug 14,2012 1:35pm
also there's that word "deathgrind" which i would lump certain cannibal corpses into. hey, it's a valid subgenre.



toggletoggle post by Lamp  at Aug 14,2012 1:39pm
Dillinger Escape Plan is NOT grind, okay!



toggletoggle post by ark in ur base at Aug 14,2012 1:40pm
right, it's not, because of like, what they stand for, man.



toggletoggle post by Lamp  at Aug 14,2012 1:41pm
DEP falls into that math/jazz metal category, nothing to do with grind. Blast beats does not equal grind.

Death grind = Death metal bands who can't write long songs and fall back on "grind" so they can get away with their own incompetence.



toggletoggle post by ark in ur base at Aug 14,2012 1:42pm
i guess my point is death metal and grind reciprocate influences and sound from each other. cryptopsy has grind elements...right?



toggletoggle post by ark in ur base at Aug 14,2012 1:44pm
your first sentence was fact, second sentence was opinion



toggletoggle post by Lamp  at Aug 14,2012 1:47pm
I don't think Cryptopsy's riffing and song structures bear much resemblance to grind at all, just because aside from the drumming (Flo Mournier is above grindcore drummers with his level of ability, btw) that grind is a primitive genre and always has been.

Perhaps guys in that band listen to what I would consider "true" grind, but just because a band has slight hints of that in their sound doesn't mean it's what a band is. My band has blast beats and it's debatable that we have touches of old Napalm Death, but we're not a grind band.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Aug 14,2012 1:47pm edited Aug 14,2012 1:52pm
Lykathea Aflame:

spiritual death metal with melodic metal influence but GRIND elements all throughout. Tomas Corn from Garbage Disposal drummed on Elvenefris. If you disagree, you are WRONG.



toggletoggle post by Lamp  at Aug 14,2012 1:50pm
And I'll say once again, just because a band has elements of a certain genre doesn't mean they are a certain genre.



toggletoggle post by ark in ur base at Aug 14,2012 1:51pm
agreed



toggletoggle post by Lamp  at Aug 14,2012 1:53pm
There are plenty of grind bands out there that have death metal or perhaps more overt punk influence that I wouldn't consider those other genres too. Whole lot of "grindviolence" out there these days. The Magrudergrind/ACxDC school of such piss didn't really age so well to me, just sounds diluted.



toggletoggle post by Mark_R at Aug 14,2012 1:58pm edited Aug 14,2012 1:58pm
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
Tomas Corn from Garbage Disposal drummed on Elvenefris. If you disagree, you are WRONG.


This is kind of a funny sentence, out of context. You should angrily yell that in someone's face randomly on the street.

On a side note, where can I get the re-release of this



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Aug 14,2012 2:02pm



toggletoggle post by Dertoxianli at Aug 14,2012 5:27pm
This thread is bananas.



toggletoggle post by pink shark at Aug 23,2012 9:38pm
3 new cryptopsy tunes alone slaughter the new nile album hands down. Yeah, I've gone there! Can't wait 4 the full album!



toggletoggle post by FUNAKI at Aug 23,2012 9:42pm



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