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returntothepit >> discuss >> ATTN: Audio recording nerds / drummers / music snobs (click-track content) by menstrual_sweatpants_disco on Jun 19,2012 4:13pm
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toggletoggle post by menstrual_sweatpants_disco   at Jun 19,2012 4:13pm
Anybody have any experience building their own click tracks? I’ve never done it on my own and need something a little more complex than a simple metronome. I’ve heard of some people spending dough on a hardware-based drum machine to do this. Countless others have said to just make click tracks in Guitar Pro. I booted up Guitar Pro some time ago to see if I could take a stab at it, but I came away from it with the impression that I had to invest oodles of time in order to adapt it to do what I want it to (which isn’t what it's designed for at all).

For the software-based approach I think I just need something that would allow me to program in a certain number of measures in a certain time signature and at a certain tempo. Time signatures and tempos would change throughout each song. I would just place a single note of some instrument (cowbell, clave, woodblock, whatever) on every downbeat. I would then bounce this song to an mp3 / wav file and just chuck it on a sampler to either play through a PA or through headphones at practice. I would also want the ability to change that instrument sound with some minor finagling too. (Obviously I would have to re-edit the “song” in whatever software, but I would not want to re-build every measure of a song, just change the instrument sound out). I assume all this would be able to be accomplished in some sort of drum machine software as well. The only issue is that I know precisely dick and squat about what’s good.

Anybody have any suggestions? They would be greatly appreciated. A combination of easy and free/cheap sounds ideal.

Hugs and kisses,

msd



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jun 19,2012 4:17pm
Yes and no you didn't can't but will won't.



toggletoggle post by menstrual_sweatpants_disco   at Jun 19,2012 4:20pm
But will I have to of no? Or could I wait until the won't of it anyway?



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Jun 19,2012 4:23pm
i've had good results with mapping out tabs in fl studio. would work with click tracks at any tempo and time i'm pretty sure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FL_Studio



toggletoggle post by eyeroller at Jun 19,2012 4:25pm
The programming needed to do that is no more complicated than doing a "drum track" on a drum machine, might as well program the drums the way you want them and then have the drums overdubbed (since that's essentially what's happening anyway, playing to a click track that's going to be removed is essentially the same as playing to a drum track that's going to be removed). Besides, it's easy to get lost with simple clicks vs full-on drum tracks (however fake).



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jun 19,2012 4:28pm
FUCK FRUITY LOOPS



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Jun 19,2012 4:29pm
arktouros said[orig][quote]
i've had good results with mapping out tabs in fl studio. would work with click tracks at any tempo and time i'm pretty sure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FL_Studio


Was the first thing I thought of. Just map out the individual parts, output as wav or mp3, then stack'em in some recording software (Reaper, etc.).



toggletoggle post by menstrual_sweatpants_disco   at Jun 19,2012 4:31pm
eyeroller said[orig][quote]
The programming needed to do that is no more complicated than doing a "drum track" on a drum machine, might as well program the drums the way you want them and then have the drums overdubbed (since that's essentially what's happening anyway, playing to a click track that's going to be removed is essentially the same as playing to a drum track that's going to be removed). Besides, it's easy to get lost with simple clicks vs full-on drum tracks (however fake).


I would think it would be a hell of a lot easier to get lost over a flurry of death metal drums rather then just focusing on a single cowbell hit on every downbeat.

I think I am all set with spending 8 hours programming out entire songs as well. I can already picture myself with a gun in my mouth trying to figure out how to get a robot to choke a hihat or play 5s in a measure of 7/8.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jun 19,2012 4:33pm



toggletoggle post by menstrual_sweatpants_disco   at Jun 19,2012 4:34pm
I didn't even think of FL Studio. I know they don't really deal with measures, but if I can just get it to "boop boop boop boop boop" at a certain rate, I can just do the math to figure out how many boops.

...if that's the best option, that is.



toggletoggle post by menstrual_sweatpants_disco   at Jun 19,2012 4:36pm
What do all those gurglegurgle drum machine bands use to make their drummy sounds?



toggletoggle post by eyeroller at Jun 19,2012 4:38pm
menstrual_sweatpants_disco said[orig][quote]
I would think it would be a hell of a lot easier to get lost over a flurry of death metal drums rather then just focusing on a single cowbell hit on every downbeat.


Fair enough, but again, I think a DR440 (simple-as-shit drum machine) will serve you well. Any member of Congress can figure it out, I'm sure. Bing bam boom, you're set to go w cowbells on the downbeats - You can set any measure to be however many beats you want, string em together and you're done.



toggletoggle post by eyeroller at Jun 19,2012 4:40pm



toggletoggle post by menstrual_sweatpants_disco   at Jun 19,2012 4:42pm
Sweet. Sounds like that would work if any other software doesn't jump out at me without making me want to tear my eyes out.

Thanks for the input.



toggletoggle post by josh_hates_you  at Jun 19,2012 5:05pm
I use Reaper for recording and this is very easy to do in the program. Simply set up the metronome for whatever tempo and count that you want. Let's say 4/4 @ 120 and you want that to go for 16 bars. Go to bar 17 and insert a tempo change marker or envelope, whatever the fuck it is. Then set you next metronome pace like 4/4 @ 180 bpm and then do the same thing after however many bars you need that to go for. This is very easy to do and free. You can most likely do it on any other audio program as well.



toggletoggle post by joeyvsdavidlopan  at Jun 19,2012 5:09pm
^ That. You can do it in Pro Tools (every time I try it in Logic I get frustrated and give up, but I'm sure it's possible), but Reaper is free.



toggletoggle post by Edward_Twizzlerhands at Jun 19,2012 5:12pm
Rhythm Rascal.

http://www.rhythmrascal.com/

You can try it for free but it's like 20-25 bucks for a license to be able to export your tracks to .wav/MIDI format. Well worth the money IMO.

The beats can be as complex as you need them to be but still very user friendly program.




toggletoggle post by menstrual_sweatpants_disco   at Jun 19,2012 5:34pm
Nice. Thanks fellers. I will check out both Reaper and Rhythm Rascal.



toggletoggle post by narkybark   at Jun 19,2012 8:30pm
guitar pro is not difficult, I would even say it's pretty darned straightforward. if you want to use it I could throw you some tippage.



toggletoggle post by Burnsy at Jun 19,2012 8:33pm
Yeah what josh said. Reaper is great. Evaluation version is free and doesn't get shut off at the end. Not too expensive for the full license either.



toggletoggle post by Burnsy at Jun 19,2012 8:36pm edited Jun 19,2012 8:37pm
Also if you get reaper, shift+c is the shortcut to insert a tempo/time signature change.



toggletoggle post by TROLL OF MISERY at Jun 19,2012 11:07pm
Burnsy said[orig][quote]
Also if you get reaper, shift+c is the shortcut to insert a tempo/dick signature change.



toggletoggle post by menstrual_sweatpants_disco   at Jun 20,2012 9:11am
narkybark said[orig][quote]
guitar pro is not difficult, I would even say it's pretty darned straightforward. if you want to use it I could throw you some tippage.


Mr. Bark:

I think the last time I tried to screw with it I just tried to test it by constructing 4 bars of 4/4 at a certain tempo, then 4 bars of 6/8 at a certain tempo. I put a drum sound or something on every downbeat. Then I wanted to immediately change the sound of that "drum" to something new without manually editing 32 notes. I couldn't figure it out with 15 minutes of dicking around (and quickly googling) so I figured I either had to read a shatload of in-depth tutorials or just have somebody show me the shortcut.

Jimbo said he'd show me but we never got around to it.



toggletoggle post by menstrual_sweatpants_disco   at Jun 28,2012 5:14pm
The sample mp3 on the Rhythm Rascal website might be the most terrible thing I've heard in a long time:

http://www.rhythmrascal.com/music/funk%20example%20mixdown.mp3



toggletoggle post by archaeonnli at Jun 28,2012 5:24pm
Guitar pro is the easiest. I still use it to make click tracks for all the shit bands I play with now and used to use it for deaf metal.

Mike, you can't change all 32 notes in the way that you want to. You need to know the sounds you want before you make it the whole track. You can't just replace all sound x with sound y.



toggletoggle post by menstrual_sweatpants_disco   at Jun 28,2012 5:34pm
Booooooo. That's one thing I'd like to be able to do.




toggletoggle post by narkybark   at Jun 28,2012 5:46pm
but... why? it's a click track, not a composition.



toggletoggle post by menstrual_sweatpants_disco   at Jun 28,2012 7:59pm
I would like to be able to juggle between different instruments sounds for the "click". I guess this would only be an issue at first. I don't really know what's going to be able to cut through the best yet.. a woodblock sound, cowbell, beats me. I need to experiment. I suppose that I'll figure that out early on and then I wouldn't need the ability to edit the sound easily.



toggletoggle post by Fake BURNSY at Jun 28,2012 10:05pm
If your dumb ass had downloaded Reaper like we suggested, you'd already know what cuts through best. Reaper's adjustable metronome.




toggletoggle post by longdeadgod  at Jun 28,2012 10:58pm
i use leaf drums, the free version outputs a .wav file, http://www.leafdigital.com/software/leafdrums/
pretty easy to use drag and drop interface, even good for demo drums, samples arent good enough for actual recording imo, but if you can unlock it will output midi



toggletoggle post by menstrual_sweatpants_disco   at Jun 29,2012 9:06am
Fake%20BURNSY said[orig][quote]
If your dumb ass had downloaded Reaper like we suggested, you'd already know what cuts through best. Reaper's adjustable metronome.



I didn't download shit yet, pillowbiter. Consider this my research phase.



toggletoggle post by Fake BURNSY at Jun 29,2012 11:35pm
menstrual_sweatpants_disco said[orig][quote]
Fake%20BURNSY said[orig][quote]
If your dumb ass had downloaded Reaper like we suggested, you'd already know what cuts through best. Reaper's adjustable metronome.



I didn't download shit yet, pillowbiter. Consider this my research phase.


You know what would make good research? Actually downloading it and trying it. Hands on beats asking us retards for help. Especially considering that reaper is free, does what you want, and there are videos and forum posts explaining how to do it.

The whole answer is, (in Reaper)
set your metronome...
Route it to an audio track in Reaper's routing matrix.
Insert time changes where you need them.
Press "record" on your audio track.

You now have a custom audio click track. And if for some reason you can't get the evil piercing Reaper click to penetrate, you can instead route to a MIDI track, and from there trigger any sound you want. Changing it will simply be a matter of selecting a different preset or sample in your VST.

Sheesh. I bet REAL Burnsy even knows all that.




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