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returntothepit >> discuss >> Immolation, Vader, Abigail Williams, CSDO and more @ Rocko's by crossover on Sep 22,2010 6:29pm
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toggletoggle post by crossover at Sep 22,2010 6:29pm
I think everybody already knows about this show!

Saturday October 2nd @ Rocko's in Manchester, NH. all ages all the time with alcohol and food.

IMMOLATION, VADER, ABIGAIL WILLIAMS, CSDO, CRYPTER and others.

doors open @ 5pm

show starts @ 6pm

you can get tix through Eric from CSDO for $15 in advance.

e-mail Eric @ CSDOband@aol.com or call 603-560-1059.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Sep 22,2010 6:35pm
rockos says this is cancelled...



toggletoggle post by Elihhcb at Sep 22,2010 6:43pm
Rev....I declare a backtrace.



toggletoggle post by Rockos at Sep 22,2010 7:04pm



toggletoggle post by crossover at Sep 22,2010 7:19pm
This show isn't cacelled



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Sep 22,2010 8:29pm
unless something has changed, from a couple days ago

Rocko‘s said[orig][quote]
This show is not happening at Rocko's.



toggletoggle post by csdofan at Sep 22,2010 9:07pm
The club is still having the shows that NEC booked such as Nile, Overkill, Rotting Christ, Death Angel, and of course the Immolation/Vader show.




toggletoggle post by Rockos at Sep 23,2010 6:50am
No they are not. ROTTING CHRIST - NO -
DEATH ANGEL - NO
OVERKILL - NO
NILE - NO

The only one that we are allowing them to have is Sept 30th, Oct 2nd, Oct 18th.



toggletoggle post by crossover at Sep 25,2010 2:21am
IMMOLATION/VADER/CSDO is happening next Saturday! 150 tickets have been sold already. Most of the other shows are being moved to a bigger place.



toggletoggle post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Sep 25,2010 2:50am
Yes, that's right!! This show is happening!! So, get your asses to the club and have some fun... Crypter goes on at like 6:15pm and we go on at 7pm!!



toggletoggle post by sever at Sep 25,2010 11:36am
Rockos said[orig][quote]
No they are not. ROTTING CHRIST - NO -
DEATH ANGEL - NO
OVERKILL - NO
NILE - NO

The only one that we are allowing them to have is Sept 30th, Oct 2nd, Oct 18th.


I know that NEC sucks enormous amounts of wang but these are legitimately good shows that will absolutely draw lots of people...



toggletoggle post by MillenialKingdom  at Sep 25,2010 11:42am
Those shows were the highlights of the my year but not anymore.



toggletoggle post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Sep 25,2010 11:49am
Most likely, all those shows will still be happening... I know more at the show next week...



toggletoggle post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Sep 25,2010 8:36pm
It's not Rocko's saying this. It's Dave. The people at Rocko's don't care for him too much.



toggletoggle post by IllinoisEnemaBradness at Sep 25,2010 9:18pm
fucked venue is fucked



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Sep 25,2010 10:03pm
Rockos would still look like a barmitzvah banquet hall with out dave. now it looks like a real club. if rockos doesnt care for dave then they are idiots. dont like some of the bs going on, but give vision his due.



toggletoggle post by metalprincess at Sep 25,2010 10:34pm
Aaron your mistaken. Bernie put over 15k into Rocko's as soon as he took over. He is the one responsible for all of that not Dave.

Despite what people have to say about Bernie/NEC he put up his money to make Rocko's better.

He paid for the stage to be built, the electicity to be upgraded to handle the new sound system, painted the club, replaced the rug, bought all the bar stools and tables and put new lighting in.

He also started to book bigger shows and bring them to Manchester. Shows like:

Immolation/Vader
Nile
Overkill
Rotting Christ
Raven
Death Angel

Im not going to get into the this whole discussion betwem him and Dave but there always 2 sides to every story.


Im not defending NEC but there is no secret that they ask bands to sell tickets for their national shows... bands arent forced to or made to. Every band can just say no and pass on the show.

Either way, there are some sick shows coming up and I hope they stay in Manchester, because Id rather drive there then the Palladium or have to drive an hour and half to Club Hell though I think Petes doing a good job.



toggletoggle post by Rockos at Sep 26,2010 6:25am
CANDY%20STRIPER%20DEATH%20ORGY said[orig][quote]
It's not Rocko's saying this. It's Dave. The people at Rocko's don't care for him too much.


Haha this made me laugh.

LET ME TELL YOU AGAIN. OCT 2nd WILL BE THE LAST NEC SHOW THERE!




toggletoggle post by Rockos at Sep 26,2010 6:28am
metalprincess said[orig][quote]
Aaron your mistaken. Bernie put over 15k into Rocko's as soon as he took over. He is the one responsible for all of that not Dave.

Despite what people have to say about Bernie/NEC he put up his money to make Rocko's better.

He paid for the stage to be built, the electicity to be upgraded to handle the new sound system, painted the club, replaced the rug, bought all the bar stools and tables and put new lighting in.

He also started to book bigger shows and bring them to Manchester. Shows like:

Immolation/Vader
Nile
Overkill
Rotting Christ
Raven
Death Angel

Im not going to get into the this whole discussion betwem him and Dave but there always 2 sides to every story.


Im not defending NEC but there is no secret that they ask bands to sell tickets for their national shows... bands arent forced to or made to. Every band can just say no and pass on the show.

Either way, there are some sick shows coming up and I hope they stay in Manchester, because Id rather drive there then the Palladium or have to drive an hour and half to Club Hell though I think Petes doing a good job.



Actually:
Bernie spent about $500.00 on the carpet
$750.00 on upgrading the electricity
$1000.00 on the stage

He put in some tables/chairs but took them out.

All together thats $2250.00.

He stole $5200.00 from bands ( from the bleeding through tour )

so he actually made a little less than 3k.

I have been bringing in big tours to Rockos since 2007
Converge
Between the buried and me
Dying Fetus
The Faceless

Two sides to every story.

BERNIE IS A PIECE OF SHIT. PERIOD.



toggletoggle post by Rockos at Sep 26,2010 6:30am
CANDY%20STRIPER%20DEATH%20ORGY said[orig][quote]
It's not Rocko's saying this. It's Dave. The people at Rocko's don't care for him too much.


haha wow, Still laughing



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Sep 26,2010 11:58am
Rockos said[orig][quote]
Actually:
Bernie spent about $500.00 on the carpet
$750.00 on upgrading the electricity
$1000.00 on the stage

at those prices, I want a stage built in my house!



toggletoggle post by Manager at Rocko's S.B.G at Sep 26,2010 12:08pm
This Kevin the Manager at Rocko's Sports Bar and Grill. The Satuday show for October 2nd IS ON and IS happenning! All the prior posts listed as Rocko's have not been made by Rocko's this is the very first time I rerpresenting Rocko's has ever posted here.



toggletoggle post by nitroracing at Sep 28,2010 9:16am
Cant wait to see Csdo this weekend! Bump for this show.



toggletoggle post by Rockos at Sep 28,2010 9:43am
Manager%20at%20Rocko‘s%20S.B.G said[orig][quote]
This Kevin the Manager at Rocko's Sports Bar and Grill. The Satuday show for October 2nd IS ON and IS happenning! All the prior posts listed as Rocko's have not been made by Rocko's this is the very first time I rerpresenting Rocko's has ever posted here.


STFU Kevin. Everyone whoz anyone knows I'm the REAL authority figure at Rockos.



toggletoggle post by Rocko's at Sep 29,2010 6:13am
Dude im so cool, I have no life. I make fun of people on rttp because i hate my own life. Fuck Yeah!



toggletoggle post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Sep 29,2010 2:36pm
Dave is out!! The shows are still happening...



toggletoggle post by Rocko‘s ( Just The Promoter ) at Sep 29,2010 3:27pm
CANDY%20STRIPER%20DEATH%20ORGY said[orig][quote]
Dave is out!! The shows are still happening...


Dave is NOT OUT.

New England Concerts will be out early Nov.




toggletoggle post by bloblovesmusic at Sep 29,2010 4:33pm
all this Rockos/Dave/Bernie/whatever stuff is getting old very quickly.



toggletoggle post by Elihhcb at Sep 29,2010 5:44pm
Can't be helping get people to shows...



toggletoggle post by Headbanging Man at Sep 29,2010 5:49pm
metalprincess said[orig][quote]
Im not defending NEC but there is no secret that they ask bands to sell tickets for their national shows... bands arent forced to or made to. Every band can just say no and pass on the show.


Haha! Sounds like someone doesn't exactly understand why people hate pay-to-play douchery...



toggletoggle post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Sep 29,2010 10:48pm
You fucks... It's not pay to play... Well, I guess for you it would be. We don't pay for our tickets. We sell them!! Work to play!! You don't get the concept?



toggletoggle post by inject-now at Sep 30,2010 12:15am
why don't you work on an actual musical release instead eric? whats it been over 20 years?

pay to play is pure idiocy, and playing to people in a room that couldn't care less what you are playing is even more stupid.



toggletoggle post by Headbanging Man at Sep 30,2010 2:50am
CANDY%20STRIPER%20DEATH%20ORGY said[orig][quote]
Work to play!! You don't get the concept?


Of course... The concept is promoters/venues that are too lazy to do their job and/or too stingy to take a financial risk on a headliner or tour package. And let's be realistic here... Giving away tickets with every purchase of 2 porn DVDs isn't exactly work (and you DO end up paying when you give away hundreds of $20+ tickets over the course of a year I'm sure). But it's still something that isn't supposed to be your job, as a band.



toggletoggle post by W3 nli at Sep 30,2010 3:06am
where's my popcorn



toggletoggle post by Bert at Sep 30,2010 7:13am
CANDY%20STRIPER%20DEATH%20ORGY said[orig][quote]
You fucks... It's not pay to play... Well, I guess for you it would be. We don't pay for our tickets. We sell them!! Work to play!! You don't get the concept?


Only reason your still around is because you sell those tickets. Giving away tickets with porn movies does not count either.

you guys are terrible. If you were not playing i would be at the show Saturday.



toggletoggle post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Sep 30,2010 12:04pm
You guys are idiots!! How fuckin' times do I have to tell you... It's not pay to play!! It would be for your bands... 'Cause you couldn't sell any tickets!! Between us and Crypter, we've sold 150 tickets for this show... That covers $2250.00... The tour package is $3500.00, plus sound guy, security and advertising... I've run and booked clubs over the years... So, I know what's going on with things.

The only tickets that I might give away and pay for is for radio people like : Road Kill on WHEB, Foghorn on WJUL and 1 or 2 others... I don't have to do deals to sell my tickets (like get a free cd or t-shirt or porn dvd) like other bands do.



toggletoggle post by inject-now at Sep 30,2010 2:46pm
ok, it's called being a fucking sucker. better?



toggletoggle post by MillenialKingdom  at Sep 30,2010 5:08pm
It's almost too easy.



toggletoggle post by Headbanging Man at Sep 30,2010 5:17pm
Well, that explains that mysterious $2250 write-off on the Family Dildo Barn's books that showed up last month...



toggletoggle post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Sep 30,2010 5:39pm
I guess you dopes don't want to play big shows... We got invited to play "Oxfest" last July in Maine ('cause of all the work we do). We wouldn't of had to do anything to play. We had to turn it down 'cause of family obligations with two guys in the band. Their were tens of thousands of people at the show!!



toggletoggle post by reign of terror at Sep 30,2010 5:44pm
look here we go again bashing csdo. get a life people



toggletoggle post by Holocausticausticaustic at Sep 30,2010 7:17pm
Yeah, you dudes are just jealous you didn't get invited to play OXFEST 2009!!

Oxfest.net: "Oxfest 2009 had more than 2,000 people in attendance."

See!!! Tens of thousands!!!



toggletoggle post by reign of terror at Sep 30,2010 8:01pm
2009 Oxfest had close to 10000 people. this year twice as many



toggletoggle post by Holocausticausticaustic at Sep 30,2010 9:10pm



toggletoggle post by Pires at Sep 30,2010 9:30pm
wow, that looks like a swell fucking time.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Oct 1,2010 12:46am
Abigail Williams is straight ass.



toggletoggle post by DEATH2ALLnli at Oct 1,2010 3:14am
CANDY%20STRIPER%20DEATH%20ORGY said[orig][quote]
You fucks... It's not pay to play... Well, I guess for you it would be. We don't pay for our tickets. We sell them!! Work to play!! You don't get the concept?


The "concept" is fucking gay!! The reality is that you must sell however many tickets if you want your band to play the show. You then hand over that money to the promoter or club, in exchange for your right to play the show. Call it whatever you want, you are still paying to play. And how's it any different if you "work to play"??? Most local bands work their asses off preparing for shows, getting their equipment playable & transported to the shows, setting up & breaking down their equipment. And obviously most bands work their asses off on stage, performing their shows. These bands do all this work for one reason... Cause they love doing it!! It certainly isn't for any money they may or may not be payed at the end of the show. And in most cases, local bands spend way more money to play a show than they are payed for a show, whether it's on gas, tolls, guitar strings, drum heads, sticks, etc. Most local bands have already payed to play a show before they even get to the club!! They usually have promoted the fuck out of the show as well. And most probably don't expect to be payed after shows, they shouldn't be expected to sell however many tickets either!! The reality is that you're on this show cause you agreed to sell tickets. But there's probably 100 other bands in New England right now who would be a much better & more deserving act on this show, but they refuse to buy their way onto the show!! They refuse to disrespect their bands names by paying to play shows. So don't get all bent outta shape because people don't agree with the "concept" that you clearly have no problem bending over for.



toggletoggle post by boblovesmusic   at Oct 1,2010 3:22am
^this



toggletoggle post by DEATH2ALLnli at Oct 1,2010 3:27am
Bert said[orig][quote]
CANDY%20STRIPER%20DEATH%20ORGY said[orig][quote]
You fucks... It's not pay to play... Well, I guess for you it would be. We don't pay for our tickets. We sell them!! Work to play!! You don't get the concept?


Only reason your still around is because you sell those tickets. Giving away tickets with porn movies does not count either.

you guys are terrible. If you were not playing i would be at the show Saturday.


Haha, come to see the same show tonight/Friday, with Abnormality & Pathology, (who didn't pay to play) instead!! Club Hell, Providence RI



toggletoggle post by JustinBOTG at Oct 1,2010 7:50am
CANDY%20STRIPER%20DEATH%20ORGY said[orig][quote]
Between us and Crypter, we've sold 150 tickets for this show...


You and Crypter certainly deserve a pat on the back from Dave for doing all his work for him. Every band should have to sell tickets to secure a gig. Keep up the good work.






toggletoggle post by NateTheWar at Oct 1,2010 8:34am
Why should it be up to the local bands to cover the cost of a tour package? The package itself should be the reason enough people come out. If there were no local bands to chew the fat off of, and no one shows, who is to blame? Yeah sure, dump it on the promoter for not "advertising enough" or some other lame excuse. How about the fact that in some cases, no one really cares that much about the tour, except the washed up or delusional people in the bands that think they are still worth a $3500 package.

This doesn't necessarily go out to the bands on this show, but how many promoters know when they have a weak package coming through, that there are always a handful of bands willing to sell tickets to cover the cost of the show, because every other self respecting band in the area actually gets asked to play plenty of great shows without selling tickets.



toggletoggle post by Rocko‘s ( Just The Promoter ) at Oct 1,2010 8:41am
JustinBOTG said[orig][quote]
CANDY%20STRIPER%20DEATH%20ORGY said[orig][quote]
Between us and Crypter, we've sold 150 tickets for this show...


You and Crypter certainly deserve a pat on the back from Dave for doing all his work for him. Every band should have to sell tickets to secure a gig. Keep up the good work.





This is not my show.

Credits go to Bernie Goulet and the gang over at new england concerts



toggletoggle post by JustinBOTG at Oct 1,2010 10:24am
NateTheWar said[orig][quote]
every other self respecting band in the area actually gets asked to play plenty of great shows without selling tickets.


But we don't get to play in front of 100 people who don't give a shit about our band otherwise.



toggletoggle post by Rockos at Oct 1,2010 1:22pm
YOU'RE ALL FUCKIN OUT
I'M FUCKINN IN

I'm kicking Vader off the show for not selling enough raffle tickets. Considerr them out of the race to win the mountain bike/trip to space camp.



toggletoggle post by goatcatabisk at Oct 1,2010 1:52pm
Logged-in "Rockos" for troll of the month?



toggletoggle post by goatcatabiskk at Oct 2,2010 7:35am
Dude im so COOOL. I created a fake profile haha.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 2,2010 11:44am
I'll be there.



toggletoggle post by nitroracer at Oct 2,2010 12:03pm
Going to be a kick ass show... I heard last night was pretty good!



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 2,2010 3:55pm
Leaving soon



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 2,2010 4:33pm
i just need to get some food and then im on my way.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 2,2010 6:13pm
here now. crypter starting.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 2,2010 6:50pm
crypter was cool as usual. good energy and good music. they also had a bunch of their fans running around the crowd for them.

i looked at the stage flyer and it had
crypter 615-645
csdo 7-730
pathology 745-815
lecherous nocture 830-9
abagail williams 915-945
vader 10-1045
immolation 11-12

late night for this old soul!



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 2,2010 7:42pm
good csdo set. they had people thrash and there was a pretty good crowd there for them. funny to see 2 walls of death too.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 2,2010 9:02pm
pathology was interesting, but it's distracting to see the singer of origin singing for them.

no other lecherous nocture set will out do the evacuate show, but this was good and they sounded good. the crowd was into them too. gave a cd out to the most energetic mosher.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 2,2010 10:06pm
doesnt abigail william have like keys and stuff? i think this is a more stripped down and raw version. not bad, but also not really moshable for the lil ones.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 2,2010 10:44pm
vader is tearing it up.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 3,2010 1:51am
home working on pictures.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 3,2010 2:08am
pictures uploading.



toggletoggle post by foghorn   at Oct 3,2010 10:16am
Good times! Pissed I miss CSDO. Got there just as they ended. Really dug Pathology though!



toggletoggle post by Mark_R at Oct 3,2010 11:08am
I really enjoyed the show. It was the first time I went to a show in NH. All of the touring bands were great and what I saw of CSDO seemed good. I was looking forward to checking out Lecherous and they delivered. I was expecting more "traditional" black metal vocals instead of the death vocals. The guitar players were very impressive. And of course, Immolation rules but continues to be underappreciated.



toggletoggle post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Oct 3,2010 12:44pm
What a great show!! Thank you to everyone that came out I don't know why several people left before Abigail Williams hit the stage... Crypter was great, we killed, Vader and Immolation was awesome!!



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 3,2010 2:31pm
that is another issue with the cut co style of bands selling tickets. they sell to their family and friends who dont care about he headliners. they take off after the band they bought tickets from.



toggletoggle post by CANDY STRIPER DEATH ORGY at Oct 3,2010 2:36pm
I think some of the people that came out for Crypter and us, just don't like Death Metal. I talked with a several people last night that told me they were all set with the Death Metal crap... I don't know, I like Death, Thrash, old style Hardcore... I like it all!!



toggletoggle post by nhmetalhead at Oct 3,2010 3:58pm
By the time the headliners went on there seemed to be half as many people left, not that it was packed to begin with. Having the bar downstairs didn't help the place any either.



toggletoggle post by BOTG Crust at Oct 3,2010 6:19pm
Thrash bands sell tickets for a death metal tour package and no one stays for the headliners.....big surprise. Just another example of a poorly booked show there. Dave doesn't care who he books just as long as they sell tickets for him.



toggletoggle post by BOTG Crust at Oct 3,2010 6:34pm
Thrash bands sell tickets for a death metal tour package and no one stays for the headliners.....big surprise. Just another example of a poorly booked show there. Dave doesn't care who he books just as long as they sell tickets for him.



toggletoggle post by crypterlead at Oct 3,2010 8:23pm
Candy Striper fucking rules, and Crypter and our fans were going absolutely apeshit for Lecherous and Vader



toggletoggle post by Rocko‘s ( Just The Promoter ) at Oct 4,2010 6:22am
BOTG%20Crust said[orig][quote]
Thrash bands sell tickets for a death metal tour package and no one stays for the headliners.....big surprise. Just another example of a poorly booked show there. Dave doesn't care who he books just as long as they sell tickets for him.


This was not my show.



toggletoggle post by metal_church101  at Oct 4,2010 11:38am
Glad to hear that this show was great. Sucked I had to work instead.



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