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returntothepit >> discuss >> recording bass and guitars this weekend.... by JDDomination on Feb 1,2010 5:07pm
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toggletoggle post by JDDomination   at Feb 1,2010 5:07pm
Any last minute advice for me besides don't suck and moar brutalz?
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toggletoggle post by madoakdevin nli at Feb 1,2010 5:35pm
what's your rig?



toggletoggle post by bloblovesmusic at Feb 1,2010 5:36pm
more synths and cheesy high vocals



toggletoggle post by JDDomination   at Feb 1,2010 6:29pm
using various tube heads, fender prosonic, diezel einstein, peavey valveking, 5150, mesa trip rec, ampeg vh140c. I'm using several guitars for tracking rhythm, leads, solos, and clean parts. LTD w/EMGs, Schecter w/EMGs, Agile w/EMGs, Fender Japanese strat style HSS, Fender Showmaster HH, Epiphone Dot Studio Semihollow, Samick Strat Style. The recording is gonna involve experimenting with different combinations til I find what I like and go from there.



toggletoggle post by JDDomination   at Feb 2,2010 12:43pm
bump



toggletoggle post by blue  at Feb 2,2010 12:51pm
Who are you recording with? Sounds like you got a great selection to choose from. That fender prosonic and ampeg vh are deeeelicious.



toggletoggle post by MarkFuckingRichards  at Feb 2,2010 1:07pm
Just trust what The Blackness says and your shit will glisten.



toggletoggle post by IllinoisEnemaBradness at Feb 2,2010 1:09pm
more Weymouth less Hingham



toggletoggle post by JDDomination   at Feb 2,2010 1:10pm
Eliot's doing the engineering at the studio in Rockland. The Fender belongs to him or the studio. The ampeg is my normal live rig, solid state. It's fuckin ballsy too. Any tips on recording with him? as far as preproduction, him and I are pretty much on the same page and it's due to turn out really great; crisp and crushing.



toggletoggle post by JDDomination   at Feb 2,2010 1:11pm
IllinoisEnemaBradness said[orig][quote]
more Weymouth less Hingham

Fuck Hingham in everyway possible.



toggletoggle post by goatcatalyst   at Feb 2,2010 1:12pm
Sweet. Smoke lots of drugs and listen to lots of Trower, use a Tube Screamer and have fun, dooder.



toggletoggle post by blue  at Feb 2,2010 1:27pm
I knew it was eliot's studio when you started listing amps. That prosonic used to be mine.



toggletoggle post by sinistas   at Feb 2,2010 1:32pm
Keep the gain manageable, and multi-track your parts. Layering will add some girth while you still maintain clarity.



toggletoggle post by Slag Studios at Feb 2,2010 1:33pm
JDDomination said[orig][quote]
Any last minute advice for me besides don't suck and moar brutalz?



When recording guitar, think of the layers as textures. You cannot pile on 5 layers of thick sloppy sludgy guitar together without it sounding muddy. Try to take different mic placements, eq settings, some thinner sounding tracks that accentuate different octaves or strings. Using different microphones also help as different mics are hyped or bumped at different places along the frequency spectrum. Using the same SM57 on every track will cause (as an example) a pile of 4khz as the mic has a presence boost built into the mic response.

Think of textures and layers.



toggletoggle post by Slag Studios at Feb 2,2010 1:34pm
When recording bass, I find using a mixture of DI and mic'ed yields me good results. When you get to the mixing stage, you can eq each to taste.



toggletoggle post by Slag Studios at Feb 2,2010 1:36pm
sinistas said[orig][quote]
Keep the gain manageable, and multi-track your parts. Layering will add some girth while you still maintain clarity.


As this man says, when layering guitar, less gain is better.

3 Hi gain tracks layered = mud

3 Low to mid gain tracks layered = success.

As always, trust your ears. Only you know what you want it to sound like.



toggletoggle post by Sacreligion at Feb 2,2010 1:37pm
Don't kill yourself trying to get everything "perfect." If there's obvious suck then redo the take, but don't automatically dismiss a good take just because you thought you could've hit that one squeal a little better or something along those lines. Overdoing the perfectionist route can take the live feel away from the recording and end up with sterile results.



toggletoggle post by Sacreligion at Feb 2,2010 1:38pm
Slag%20Studios said[orig][quote]
sinistas said[orig][quote]
Keep the gain manageable, and multi-track your parts. Layering will add some girth while you still maintain clarity.


As this man says, when layering guitar, less gain is better.

3 Hi gain tracks layered = mud

3 Low to mid gain tracks layered = success.

As always, trust your ears. Only you know what you want it to sound like.


This. I won't record ever again with my pre-gain over 3-3.5, depending on what volume I'm at.



toggletoggle post by narkybark   at Feb 2,2010 1:41pm
Also: provide lots of grape drank.



toggletoggle post by IllinoisEnemaBradness at Feb 2,2010 1:44pm
when in doubt, take it out



toggletoggle post by JDDomination   at Feb 2,2010 2:05pm
Wow great advice, seems pretty consistent with what Eliot and I have been planning on in preproduction. Less gain with multiple tracking, multiple miking, various frequencies, etc. I think I'm doing each side with several mics and two rigs into an AB Box, probably ending up with 4 guitars tracks. It's gonna sound awesome, Keep it coming



toggletoggle post by Sacreligion at Feb 2,2010 2:08pm
Tune like it's a mantra. Even after a flubbed 5 second take.



toggletoggle post by blue  at Feb 2,2010 2:08pm
Eliot knows exactly what he's doing, despite all of the great advice offered here. Everything will come out great I'm sure.



toggletoggle post by Slag Studios at Feb 2,2010 2:40pm
I find a killer mic combination on guitar cabs to be a dynamic (like SM57) close to the grill and a ribbon mic at the same distance. I like a crisp condenser about 6 feet away or whatever sounds good to capture the sound developing. Also, mess with polarity settings on mic preamp or in the software on different channels... the bigger sound of the two is always the better one.



toggletoggle post by narkybark   at Feb 2,2010 2:43pm
if that fails, eject the warp core



toggletoggle post by Slag Studios at Feb 2,2010 2:46pm
MR WORF, PREPARE TO SEPERATE THE SAUCER SECTION.

ALL HANDS TO THE BATTLE BRIDGE.



toggletoggle post by martins   at Feb 2,2010 2:48pm
Ya, Eliot is the man



toggletoggle post by autisticretard at Feb 2,2010 3:50pm
dont forget to push down play and record on the boombox at the same time



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Feb 2,2010 3:59pm
for tuners, pickups, etc make sure you have enough jeffrey's tubes and dilithium cryst....er, batteries.



toggletoggle post by fleshfries nli at Feb 2,2010 4:49pm
Am I getting any credit in the album booklet for helping to write half of this album? I could really use that for portfolio purposes. You guys are gonna be blown away by this album, it's HUGE.



toggletoggle post by devilman at Feb 2,2010 4:52pm
For bass if it's active leave it off to the di then eq your head to get the sound you like. Take the time and listen to the different speakers . There is always one that sounds better than the rest. I like a mix of di and mic'd . Guitars sound's like you've go the idea already double track, multi mics, not too much gain. And last take brakes get out of the studio smoke or drink and let your ears relax or you'll stop hearing what's realy going on



toggletoggle post by JDDomination   at Feb 2,2010 5:35pm edited Feb 2,2010 5:38pm
fleshfries%20nli said[orig][quote]
Am I getting any credit in the album booklet for helping to write half of this album? I could really use that for portfolio purposes. You guys are gonna be blown away by this album, it's HUGE.

yeah we'll get you on there somewhere, certainly wasn't half though



toggletoggle post by fleshfries nli at Feb 2,2010 6:25pm
Yea you're right, it was probably a little more than half



toggletoggle post by fleshfries at Feb 2,2010 9:05pm
I was there to help write 6 out of the 9 songs that are on this album, I'd certainly say that's more than half, sorry, it's my ego talking.



toggletoggle post by Pires at Feb 2,2010 9:31pm
Is this going to turn into another "madmike vs. hyeo" thing?



toggletoggle post by IllinoisEnemaBradness at Feb 2,2010 10:15pm
fleshfries said[orig][quote]
I was there to help write 6 out of the 9 songs that are on this album, I'd certainly say that's more than half, sorry, it's my ego talking.


"i was there" c'mon man, I was there when my former bandmates would have 95% of the song done and I'd help structure a little. You have to actually write the riff to get credit, structuring don't count. If that's what JD means, if not



toggletoggle post by JDDomination   at Feb 2,2010 11:55pm
just discussing recording at this point, thanks guys



toggletoggle post by i_am_not_me   at Feb 3,2010 12:34am
Oh snap.



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