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returntothepit >> discuss >> Obama Cancels NASAs moon missions by arilliusbm on Feb 1,2010 2:56pm
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toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Feb 1,2010 2:56pm
The article is on the front page of the ny times. I'm too lazy to copy/ paste it on the phone.
Anyway the goal of having another manned moon mission by 2020 was cancelled. 4 years down the drain.
They want NASA to focus more on newer space technologies and having third party companies make the rockets.

Pretty lame if you ask me. China and India will now claim the moon, as they should send people there in the next 10 years.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Feb 1,2010 3:17pm
repost.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Feb 1,2010 3:17pm
in other words, they want NASA to focus on advanced weaponry.



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Feb 1,2010 3:20pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty

The Outer Space Treaty represents the basic legal framework of international space law. Among its principles, it bars States Parties to the Treaty from placing nuclear weapons or any other weapons of mass destruction in orbit of Earth, installing them on the Moon or any other celestial body, or to otherwise station them in outer space. It exclusively limits the use of the Moon and other celestial bodies to peaceful purposes and expressly prohibits their use for testing weapons of any kind, conducting military maneuvers, or establishing military bases, installations, and fortifications (Art.IV). However, the Treaty does not prohibit the placement of conventional weapons in orbit.

The treaty explicitly forbids any government from claiming a celestial resource such as the Moon or a planet, since they are the Common heritage of mankind.[1] Art. II of the Treaty states that "outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means".



Not sure if this is the best idea on the government's part but I can see the benefits - research & development of viable deep-space propulsion, human survivability, practical applications, etc is way cheaper than actual hardware. Time and money is better spent working on viable future research than more moon hardware that doesn't do much. Also, American companies encouraged to research and sell tech to NASA = win.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Feb 1,2010 3:22pm
velcro



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Feb 1,2010 3:24pm
computer chips: made for astronauts and made better by video games



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Feb 1,2010 3:25pm
arktouros said[orig][quote]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty

The Outer Space Treaty represents the basic legal framework of international space law. Among its principles, it bars States Parties to the Treaty from placing nuclear weapons or any other weapons of mass destruction in orbit of Earth, installing them on the Moon or any other celestial body, or to otherwise station them in outer space. It exclusively limits the use of the Moon and other celestial bodies to peaceful purposes and expressly prohibits their use for testing weapons of any kind, conducting military maneuvers, or establishing military bases, installations, and fortifications (Art.IV). However, the Treaty does not prohibit the placement of conventional weapons in orbit.

The treaty explicitly forbids any government from claiming a celestial resource such as the Moon or a planet, since they are the Common heritage of mankind.[1] Art. II of the Treaty states that "outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means".



that's all well and good, but we break every other treaty and law, what makes this one exempt?

"that's all well and good for sheep, but what are we to do??"



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Feb 1,2010 3:39pm



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Feb 1,2010 3:48pm
In the meantime, the US is setting up patriot missile defense systems around Iran as we speak. Iran media also said last night that globalists will have a huge "blow" on feb 11th.

War is coming! We gonna bomb Iran!! FUCK YEA!



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Feb 1,2010 4:11pm



toggletoggle post by TheRidersofDoom  at Feb 1,2010 10:49pm
Well I bet china was like "hey america, stay away from moon, it our's!"

look to taiwan as the next war, china will invade if we give them the weapons, and bam....third world war.



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Feb 2,2010 1:50am
Who wrote "da moon rules #1" on my car with a frickin' key?



toggletoggle post by TheRidersofDoom  at Feb 8,2010 8:27am
I can't believe they outsourced our dream to India and Russia...

Also, who feels that symbolically we just fell back a few steps behind some other countries?



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Feb 8,2010 8:50am
It's like we are working backwards. We grounded and mothballed the fastest plane (blackbird). We used to fly supersonic to europe (concorde). oh well.



toggletoggle post by TheRidersofDoom  at Feb 8,2010 9:00am
This next up, Obama flies to California in his new Bi-plane, Air Force One sold to Estonia.



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Feb 16,2010 9:20am
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/ar...obama-budget-reshapes-space-agenda/

Along with canceling Constellation, Obama offered an alternative roadmap for human space exploration over the next decade or more -- one that does not include landing astronauts on the Moon by 2020. Instead, NASA will send robotic missions "to scout locations and demonstrate technologies to increase the safety and capability of future human missions and provide scientific dividends." The budget avoided specifics about the ultimate target for human missions; the robotic forays would help determine whether landing humans on Mars is a viable goal.

This change of plans clearly breaks Obama's promise to "endorse the goal of sending human missions to the Moon by 2020, as a precursor in an orderly progression to missions to more distant destinations, including Mars."

But the president's budget for NASA does keep five other campaign promises. It proposes working with international allies to extend the life of the International Space Station at least through 2020; it supports access to space for private-sector companies; it supports increased investment in research and development related to space; it supports increased spending to prepare for longer space missions; and it establishes school programs to highlight space and science achievements.

Of course, the president's budget is only a proposal, and the forces supporting Constellation are substantial. They include lawmakers from Alabama, Florida and Texas, the states most deeply involved in Constellation. So Obama's major shift in focus is far from a done deal. But we feel that however the appropriations process plays out, the president has lived up to his pledges as he made them.



toggletoggle post by SkinSandwich at Feb 16,2010 9:26am
lulz



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Feb 16,2010 9:27am
"Obama lowers military budget by 80 percent and raises civilian space explortions budget by 234,000 percent"



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