You guys are fucking crazy, blind and stupid is you support that fucking socialist shit bag you call the president!!!!!!!!

What good has he done for this country? Seriously?

All I see him doing is defacing this great nation, getting us in more depbt than every president has in the past cobined, borrowing said money from China (thus decreasing the worth of our dollar) giving amnisty to every border jumpling crimmigrant in this country, sending troops off to war in afganistan, ruining war polocies (the whole dont fire when being fired apon unless a fucking camel jockey fucking savage gets shot thing) and taking away our healthcare system to replace it with an inferior bullshit one, the WE the taxpayers have to fucking pay for, not these fucking crimigrants!!!! (realize if federal health care goes into effect, we will be waiting in line for fucking months for sub par health car because dumping billions of people in the er is just going to ruin the care given, the waiting line and the taxes taken from your checks) If all you fucking idiots actually knew anything about polotics you might understand this. Furthermore, I hate you fucking non patriotic cunts making everything about race, this isnt a joke, wake the fuck up!!!!!!!! This once great nation is going down in a big fucking way guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D680st4cRIM

I am so angry that I had to make this a thread, I dont post here enough anymore to make this a 577699 page arguement, but guys seriously, do some research!

*jerking off motions*

This thread goes especially to you young kids that havent been working for a living and living on your own and have mouths to feed. In the real world, where mommy and daddy pay the bills, life is real fucking hard and when you are struggeling to put food on the table you will realize, this shit is serious and fucking scary!

So youngsters, untill you are working class and have experianced working class life, don't bother posting smart assed remarks about shit you dont know about or believe because some other fucktard believes because he was told that. Research for yourself, then make a judgement!

This Obama is for the working class is a fucking lie, he has a big plan and that plan is socialism, the enemy to this country. If you think it is a better choice, move to another country,

*where mommy and daddy DON'T pay the bills

Sorry, I'm a bit worked up and tired from work. I think peeps get my point.

I'm confused, I'm thinking either A) you loved what I had to say and are aroused by the words I typed, thus jerking off, B) want to jerk me off because you like what I said, or C) are just blinded by liberal media outlets (if anyone didn't know, The TV, The News papers)

speaking of liberal media, The liberal media spent 2 full weeks covering fucking Mike Jacksons bullshit, yeah, he died, he was a pederast, and has some good songs. But how much time did they spend covering the men and women who died to fight for our freedom? These kids get sent home every day in bodybags, do you think they get full cover stories for weeks at a time? Brainwashed!!!!!!!

what is that the gladiator soundtrack in the background? haha.

I'm pretty sure we needed more troops in Afghanistan, most of the Taliban are there and they are only going to grow stronger if they're left alone. More focus needs to be there and has needed to be there for quite some time, not IRAQ.

Obama's only been president for 7 months, you can't expect the worlds problems and your own problems (especially) to be solved in this amount of time. If you're struggling financially maybe you need to take a look at your situation on your own and figure it out instead of placing blame on someone else.

p.s. Any time someone calls Obama a socialist makes me think of the people down South who live in trailers with 8 kids that have no teeth...oh wait, there are some up of those people North too!

Not to get into the argument, but FOX news covered the same stuff for the same length.

Media in general was fucking retarded when it came to Michael Jackson.

Whoa when did Dan become Hoser?

Anyway, what the hell is wrong with Socialism? What is this, 1922?

I do agree that the Michael Jackson thing was overblown but are you really surprised that pop culture tramples more important news? It wasn't any different before Obama was elected.

A, socialist, do you know what that is? Really? You really just said that? LOL, not worthy of this discussion if you are saying what I think you are saying

MY PROBLEMS? Dude, Mine, I am taklking about OUR The collective US sitizens man, not mine, I am saying that this problem is now your dude, do you want to have your taxes deducted 60 fucking percent? Thats what I am talking about, our problem, you will pay that, I will pay that, that is what happens when the government comes in and takes over, you think healthcare will be free? Thats what you and I and all the other taxpayers will be paying VERY soon. That's socialism, our takes being taken from us so the government can have more control, its all about control man! Fuck!

And the my financial problems are not what I am talking about, I make 32 dollars an hour, I make plenty of money, its where its going that worries me, whats 60% of 1250? yeah, thats what I am talking about.


In the 7 months that Obama has been in office, HE HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN EVEY FUCKING PRESIDENT BEFORE HIM ....COMBINED!!!!!!!!!!!


aRE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME????????

7 TRILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!!!! AND THEN SOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You know how much that is, it's the truth, that is going to be paid back by US, in OUR taxes, and our grandkids and their kids, thats how long it will take for this shit to be paid off. Your blind!!!!

The troops should have been gone years ago, now everyone pins that shit on Bush(not a big supporter, he sucked) That was my point, for those out there that said Bush was the war mongeler. Obama did it too! That was my point, that this goes beyong Republicans, Democrats, White Black!

This was a waste of time!

The Taliban are not the issue for fucking Bidens new war plan, dont you listen to any news? His new plan says that if our troops are fired apon, we cannot fight back, the only time we can ingage is if a fucking sivilian is harmed!!!! What the fuck is that?

You truley dont have a clue man, sorry. I like the band and all too.

Also I feel like politics is all about stereotypes and package deals. If you like Obama, you must LOVE the liberal media, and you must LOVE being a hippy, and yadda yadda. If you liked Bush, you MUST be rich, MUST be racist, etc etc

Basically politics makes the worst come out of people.

I'm in a relationship with a person who has lived in a country with some Socialist principles her entire life, and I've visited there (Sweden) often enough to experience what some facets of different forms of government can achieve.

Sweden and the US are completely different, especially population-wise, so what is good for one might not be good for the other (not saying that everything in Sweden is really working) but to just call out a particular ideology because a whole host of others denigrate it is just being ill-informed and juvenile.

Many diverse political ideologies have tenets that are relevant and do work. The problem we will always have in governing ourselves is to keep flexible, able to take on and ratify things that aren't working, and striving to keep in place those that do achieve what they set out to.

Free-enterprise Republican Democracy is not perfect. No ideology is. So please do a little reading, do some traveling, and then I'm sure things will make sense.

Our country is in unbelievable turmoil right now, and there a lot of culpable parties.

Oh, and not to be a dick, but if you aren't high/drunk, your spelling and grammar are fucking atrocious.

Ok, I quit, seriously, I was reluctant to post because it would turn into a huge thing, and I knew that. I think polotics should stay outta a music forum. I am getting too heated. fuck, I am compelled to keep typing lol, it's like I really want to respond to the other posts, but If so, my night of drinking and fun will be sucked away by this thread, and I will be all pissed off and be threatening people, ok, koos frabar!!!!!
I am going in the shower, and will try very hard not to come to rttp after lol.

I don't think anyone can hold it against you for being fed up and angry, pretty sure that's a universal sentiment right now.

It is also impossible to know everything about governmental structure and the realm of politics.

Truths which are self-evident.

I am just too pissed to take the time to spellcheck and use proper grammer. now, I looked one last time, and decided to post one more thing.


How much is a beer in sweden? Because you went to Sweden and you what graduated in English class makes you a fucking brain surgon?

How old are you?


How many years have you been paying taxes??????

Free-enterprise Republican Democracy worked for a long fucking time, thats what makes our country great, move to Sweden then. My ex G/F lived in Sweden and we have had extencive conversations about the way things are there, they are completely different there and can't even be compared, at all.

look you seem to be a calm intelegent person, so how can you compair Sweden to USA?

By the way I am not a Republican.

Jesus, shower time!

Cool, maybe you can scrub some of that bad grammer off of yourself in the shower. Don't forget to wash behind your ears.

Thats sweet man, I do feel much better, and thanks for the reminder.

Really? Ohh, it's the internet I forgot; they have the grammer police here.

Concentrate on your fest thread, not this crap.

...just sayin'

Maybe it's just that I am a dumb construction worker.

Honestly, besides the here and there chitter chatter on the internet and paying bills, I don't spend any time writing, and the last time I was graded or took a test on this shit was ohh, maybe 1994? I read maybe 3 books a year. I'm a bricklayer!!!!!

Theres a difference between, calling someone a nigger and calling someone your country is at war with a camel jockey. I see your point, but honestly? A crimigrant could be a white Irishmen, even though I was insinuating (probably was spelled wrong skin lol) Doesn't make me a rasist.

Agreed man.

LOL.

I really don't like arguing on the internet, especially about politics, but these "$7 trillion" and "more than all other presidents combined" memes are crying out for one of wikipedia's [citation needed] tags.

http://www.crotchshotradio.com/2009/06/oba...s-spending-more-than-all-other.html

Check the numbers at the bottom. Not accounting for any inflation between when Washington took office and the institution of the Fed in 1912 (which is when the US gov't took control of our currency back from Wall Street), presidents #1 through #43 spent about $96 trillion. Obama's TOTAL FY 2010 spending, the first budget he has control over, is $3.6T.

That's still a fuckload of money, and it's still probably unsustainable in the long run. But it's not "more than all previous presidents combined". It's more like 5% of that number. And it will take a shitload of emergency financing bills in FY 2009 to get that first-year number anywhere close to $7T.

If you have different sources, please provide them; different counting methods may reach different results, and I'd like to see exactly what conservative pundits are counting t reach the $7T/7 months figure.

I will, but drinking is on my mind at the moment man.

HK ftw!1

http://www.theobamadebt.com/

Obama visited 50 states to prove it too.

If you not including iflation it changes everything. a weeks wages was like a dollar back then, and the population was less than 2 million total.

I was wrong though not all combined, but all in their full terms verse his short time since inauguration



70,000 per american to pay of obamas debt

That's totally NOT TRUE, just because you read it on some website or from some tard on youtube doesn't make it so.

I'm not getting 60% taxes taken out of my paycheck, I don't know anyone else personally who is.

Also, I work and pay taxes...do I enjoy paying taxes, no. Just because you're older, probably have kids and get all your research from Fox news and 3rd party websites doesn't make you an expert.

and bush did the same bullshit and the next guy will do the same bullshit. it doesn't matter. get off the net and go bring your daughter to walmart and buy some chinese made toys for her,

We call him the president because that's what he is, he was elected by the people, it's not a nickname. He's sending more troops to Afghanistan because that's where the fight is, Iraq was never our enemy in the first place. We spent 10 billion a month on a war that was totally pointless. Are you native-american? if your not then you or your ancestors that came in a fucking boat are also a criminals. He's not giving amnesty to every person that came here illegally, only the ones who have no criminal background, have made money the honest way and are willing to pay a fine. The only thing I agree with you is healthcare.

According to the linked site, the debt has increased by approx $950B since Obama took office. This is a little more than 100B a month (still scary) rather than 1T; the figure you initially mentioned is off by a factor of more than 7, provided we assume that a neutral administration wouldn't've added anything to the debt. Yes, since Obama's inauguration, the national *debt* -- much of which is a legacy of FDR fighting WWII and Reagan pushing the USSR to go all-in -- has *risen to* $7T since Obama was inaugurated, but he didn't spend all that money himself.

Obama's major spending so far can basically be summed up as the $787B stimulus (which, technically, has been a lot more allocated than spent so far) and the $410B supplemental that just passed to run the government until the end of the year, which given the way Washington works, was pretty much going to have to be in that ballpark anyway. A 16% jump in the debt in 7 months is something to be concerned about, sure, but not quite yet the end of civilization.

I totally don't want to get into politics right now on my friday night, but i'll repeat exactly what I said in the other thread.

big business always wins. we always lose.

there is no hope for modern society as we know it. someone tell the yellowstone supervolcano to explode already.


We've been being played by our "government" for many years. It's not OBAMA himself. In fact, the president has very little influence over the real ruling elite: Big Business execs, WORLD BANKING execs, and anything that has to do with POWER, MONEY, and CONTROL.

We live in a corrupt world and the monetary financial system is only the beginning.

oh and if you want to talk about the deficit, you have to realize that there are two sides to a budget: expenses AND income. the income for the government is taxes, primarily income taxes. did you know that while you and i are forking over 25% of what we make to the man, major corporations are paying less than 1-2% of their yearly income in taxes? some of them are actually EARNING money from the government! if we really wanted to get rid of the deficit, the law makers in this country would only have to get rid of the loopholes in the tax laws that allow corporations to get enormous tax breaks and refunds.

Warning: WALL OF TEXT MAY FOLLOW

Let the quoting begin. Do not start fact-based fights on the internet when you are drunk:



Maybe if you looked for your news NOT on the 24 hour network you'd see that the Michael Jackson coverage dropped of the top headlines after a day or two.



Maybe if you had actually looked at the tax numbers right now and going forward you would see that we'll probably be at 48 or 50% tax rate FOR THE TOP 1% OF EARNERS. The whole point of Obama's tax policies is to shift the burden more towards the people who should be able to afford it (if they can't then they should change their lifestyle.

Yes the economy is shitty right now and we're involved in wars we'd rather avoid but can't because of dumb shit we've done in the past. This means you should be more informed not more ignorant and throwing out false information in an attempt to rile people up.

I would direct you toward The News Hour on PBS for a thorough and thoughtful wrap-up of the daily news. Global Post is a great new-ish news website and news distributor that covers just a ton of stuff from around the world. These are both mainstream and fairly balanced news sources.

This is a political forum? Way too much spouting off with information obained from TOTALLY liberal sources. Socialism is what we need for times like these. Bring on the fuckin unions.

Beer in Sweden differs on many given factors: all liquor and beer (with alc/vol > 3.5%) can only be purchased at Systembolaget, a store owned by the Swedish government. Beers with alc/vol < 3.5% can be purchased at grocery stores. Therefore, pricing varies.

I went to Sweden and I did graduate from English class, yet I am not a brain SURGEON. That is because I'd have had to graduate from an accredited institution with a program in that field. I have not, and will not.

I am 25.

I've been paying taxes for roughly 9 years.

Free-enterprise Republican Democracy has worked in this country and in similar forms in countries abroad. Yet it is not the only successful form of government, and I think it is nearsighted to make it seem that anything other than the US political is automatically inferior or an opposition, or wrong. I will most likely move to Sweden in the future for many reasons, most of them being non-political in nature.

I used Sweden as an example of a country utilizing aspects of a socialist system. As I stated above, it is close to impossible to compare governments of different countries (especially in the case of the US and Sweden, based even just on population difference), and I used that example in objection of your careless use of the term "socialist."

These threads are always long-winded, but it is interesting to note how other think and feel about the way they are governed, and their role in the stewardship of their country.

BUT OBAMA IS PRO-ABORTION! THATS REASON ENOUGH TO VOTE FOR HIM RIGHT......RIGHT?

im gonna use sweden as an example of utilising aspects of a socialist system too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnP-XzB_U0
theres something inherently suicidal there on the behalf of the swedes. tolerance only goes so far until it causes a flight of the natives to get away from hordes of people with radically different values and beliefs. the only way to quell this kind of cultural friction is with the friction of an iron fist ie: tito of yugoslavia.

apparently you dont have any relatives that live in places like the czech republic. ask any czech, polack, hungarian, etc. who was alive during soviet domination how socialism worked out for them.

its a bad idea. i shouldnt have to pay for the alcoholic weakling neighbor's hospital visits because he made a lot of bad life choices rendering him impotent, and i wouldnt want to share my misery with anyone else. that'd be a wicked dick move. to anyone suggesting we try it out again, all i have to say is this:

LOL@Dan! This thread rocks!!!

I lol'd at dan reading this too. soungs like dan listened to one afternoon of WTKK and drank the koolaid.

heavensjail ftw.
aril ftw.

No matter what approach a government takes, the rifts between ideologies will find their soil.

The truth is, until people stop believing in fairy tales and of land being inherently "granted" by said fairy tales, anywhere they go there are going to be problems.

It's a slippery slope, as is shown in that video, but also counter-argued by the fact that Sweden's biggest sports star is Zlatan Ibrahimovic, whose parents were Bosnian and Croatian. The truth is, Janne's law is breaking down for Swedes like the color barrier and the sexual preference barriers have been countered in America.

Something's gotta give.

murph, I counter point you:

hopefully that something is not the pretty blond swedish girls

That is perhaps the scariest image, ever.

no comment.

Dyingmuse seems to have a touch of the ol megalomania...
any time someone starts a conversation and then immediately throws insults when someone disagrees, i stop paying attention. Please sir, go with your instincts and don't post here.

what's with all this dyingmuse hate? regardless of whether or not you agree with him Dan is one of the best dudes around.

why? because he said he liked your band?

I don't doubt that.

I'd drink with him. We'd probably just talk music instead of politics.

No, because I've talked to him numerous times, drank beers and shots with him at shows, he's just an overall friendly dude..

He is an overall friendly dude, just don't get him started on politics.

politics is a touchy subject these days. i have to catch myself sometimes because i'll go on extended rants that noone wants to listen too.

I agree with Dan, who is one of my bestest pals BTW.

You're all fat, lazy, and dumber than shit.

i can't say i hate or disagree with dyingmuse

political arguments always bring out the worst in people. I'm not sure why anyone could actually want to BE a politician haha

for themoney, power and bitches!

i'm with you. dan's a great dude so i hope this thread doesn't cause people to dislike him. politics is a loaded topic and, like people have already said here, brings out the worst in people. hopefully no one on rttp would base their entire opinion of someone on the person's political beliefs.

Ex-girlfriend who lived in Sweden here...

Scandinavia has a pretty good thing going. We can learn a lot from them.

How come nobody says that I'm a great dude?

Hoser is a great dude.

OR I automatically stop giving a shit when people tell me I'm uneducated because I don't agree with their politics.

And you're just being obtuse if you think Jackson's over-coverage was a liberal media thing alone.

Awwwwwwwww...shitballs!!!

Thanks Pam!!!

You rule, and you're really pretty.

I got love, even if you're just WRONG ALL THE TIME.

<3

FUCK YOU HUMANITY

bump

BRING BACK CTBORDERPATROL

America!

frown paul

:(

Classic Lyin' Dan Robinson, quits a thread but can't stay away.

pinche cabrón! chinga tu madre daniel robeenson!

Dan’s wife finally had enough of his tiny weird dick and divorced him. And is now banging his friends. And I laughed.