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returntothepit >> discuss >> one of the few doctors who performed late-term abortions killed at church by arilliusbm on Jun 1,2009 3:08pm
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toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jun 1,2009 3:08pm
...and police think they know who did it.
touchey subject for all you pro-life people on this board..haha

but wait, taking a 51 year old's life isn't as bad as taking someone that's not born yet, eh?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/01/kansas.doctor.killed.charges/index.html

this guy was a walking target doing what he does in the state of Kansas.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jun 1,2009 3:10pm
ironic.



toggletoggle post by mikeofdecrepitude at Jun 1,2009 3:13pm
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]


but wait, taking a 51 year old's life isn't as bad as taking someone that's not born yet, eh?


But that boy done doin' the devil's work there, ya see?



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jun 1,2009 3:15pm
eh, I misread it. the suspect is 51. not sure how old the doctor dude was.

either way, if they were both aborted this would have never happened, right?



toggletoggle post by darkwornli at Jun 1,2009 3:18pm
1 doctor's life is worth the lives all the religious fundies in kansas, especially a doctor who has the balls to pull a fetus in that state.

i guess fox news called the murderer "pro-life"...no, he's a fucking TERRORIST. get it right.

this struggle will never end as long as we're humans. sucks.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jun 1,2009 3:22pm
it is going to be a constant struggle with the religious fundies and pro-choice people.

I'm afraid there really is no happy median for this issue other than letting the states decide what's right or wrong.

I still don't understand why people are against stem cell research. that's beyond me.

anything that can be viewed as "playing god" is frowned upon these days.



toggletoggle post by thuringwethil at Jun 1,2009 3:24pm
don't get me started on religion. grrrrrrrr



toggletoggle post by thuringwethil at Jun 1,2009 3:26pm

bennyhillifier

oh ok here ya go



toggletoggle post by cav at Jun 1,2009 3:29pm
a pro life murder? hahahahaha



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jun 1,2009 3:31pm
i'm glad he had the courage to do what he did, and was also aware of the ramifications he faced every day. and like Jim said above, taking this guy's life is somehow better than taking the "life" of something that shouldn't be constituted as life. not to mention he did it in church. hooray for god.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jun 1,2009 3:56pm
eye for an eye. that means kill the wicked. a lot of religious folk are pro-death penalty.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jun 1,2009 4:03pm
so what you're trying to tell us is that a lot of religious folk practice King Hammurabi's code of ethics (eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth) from ancient Babylonia? They do know that that was a pre-Christian law by the same people that exiled the Israelites?
Certainly their educated enough to know that their system of beliefs came before Christianity, żdo they not?



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jun 1,2009 4:05pm
perhaps it should make more sense if "they're" was used in lieu of "their" while talking about education.



toggletoggle post by darkwornli at Jun 1,2009 4:32pm
i swear if everyone could just open a history book and realize their religion was man-made.....



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jun 1,2009 6:34pm
thuringwethil said[orig][quote]
don't get me started on religion. grrrrrrrr


Yeah, religion must be the problem. It has nothing to do with the general stupidity and irresponsibility of the individual. Obviously.



toggletoggle post by PatMeebles at Jun 1,2009 6:56pm
And anyone that isn't 100% pro-abortion at all stages of pregnancy is obviously a religious fundy, right?



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jun 1,2009 7:00pm
ahahaha, I vote that guys should be allowed to abort.



toggletoggle post by aril at Jun 1,2009 7:07pm
From Kansas? Yes, I'd have to conclude that because this took place at a church, lies on the outskirts of the Bible Belt (see map below)
, and given this is one of the key arguments in modern politics and religion, then I'd have to conclude that chances are over 90% this guy has some fundamental beliefs.




toggletoggle post by aril at Jun 1,2009 7:10pm
but that's besides the point.
who wants to party on a monday night??



toggletoggle post by tylor  at Jun 1,2009 7:18pm
Conservationist said[orig][quote]
thuringwethil said[orig][quote]
don't get me started on religion. grrrrrrrr


Yeah, religion must be the problem. It has nothing to do with the general stupidity and irresponsibility of the individual. Obviously.


haha yeah for real. sure this guy is a wackjob but religion positively enhances the lives of alot of people. can't make generalizations like that.



toggletoggle post by PatMeebles at Jun 1,2009 7:18pm
I was talking to "it is going to be a constant struggle with the religious fundies and pro-choice people."

The guy definitely was a fundy who did this.



toggletoggle post by ArilliusBM  at Jun 1,2009 7:24pm
guy is an idiot whatever he is haha



toggletoggle post by MillenialKingdom  at Jun 1,2009 9:39pm
See, this is the hypocrisy of extreme religiosity that I abhor and will NEVER stand by. Fuck this guy, I hope he burns in Hell.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jun 2,2009 7:20am
that's the thing though, according to the New Testament and the pussy god that reigns there, all he has to do is say he is sorry and he is welcomed into heaven.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jun 2,2009 7:21am
if this were the Old Testament, oh yeah, he'd be burning in Hell.



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at Jun 2,2009 8:38am
LOL @ Hell.

Doesn't matter what book it is, fellas.



toggletoggle post by largefreakatzero at Jun 2,2009 8:58am
aril said[orig][quote]
From Kansas? Yes, I'd have to conclude that because this took place at a church, lies on the outskirts of the Bible Belt (see map below)
, and given this is one of the key arguments in modern politics and religion, then I'd have to conclude that chances are over 90% this guy has some fundamental beliefs.



That part of the country clearly needs a forceful enema. I visited Kansas City not that long ago. Fucking creepy-ass churches on every corner. DO NOT WANT.



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at Jun 2,2009 9:53am edited Jun 2,2009 9:53am
george carlin said[orig][quote]
Why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't want to fuck in the first place?



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jun 2,2009 10:03am
honestly, if anyone has ventured in the depths of the Bible Belt, hell - even most of the mid west for that matter (outside the cities), you're in a different domain.
Want to know something that's so popular in America but not too popular up here in NE?
Contemporary Christian Music. People gather at stadiums to watch their favorite contemporary christian artist play, all while the sway like grains in the wind. shit is out of control.



toggletoggle post by largefreakatzero at Jun 2,2009 10:10am
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
Contemporary Christian Music. People gather at stadiums to watch their favorite contemporary christian artist play, all while the sway like grains in the wind. shit is out of control.


This is one of the few domestic venues where I would support an act of terrorism.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jun 2,2009 10:28am
if you're driving through certain states, very rarely do they have stations that play rock, hip hop or the like. it's all contemporary christian, contemporary country (which sucks so bad while compared to real country music), or biblical lectures.

sometimes be thankful you live in New England and not some farm town in the East Bum Fuck Indiana, Nebraska, Missouri, Kansas, Alabama, Arkansas, and many other states.. even parts of Texas.

I'm afraid I don't think the majority of America won't see the realty of things



toggletoggle post by mikeofdecrepitude at Jun 2,2009 10:31am
I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground, before I recognize Missourah.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jun 2,2009 10:44am
OUR GOD IS AN AWESOME GOD HE REIGNS!!!!



toggletoggle post by goatcatalyst   at Jun 2,2009 10:52am
Fuck America



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jun 2,2009 11:01am
us yankees aren't well liked in kansas

shit, when is that Westboro Baptist GOD HATES FAGS march in boston going to happen? wasn't that coming up this summer?



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jun 2,2009 12:39pm
open the eyes of my heart, Lord
open the eyes of my heart



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney at Jun 2,2009 1:02pm
Satan, BITE THE DUST



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toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jun 2,2009 4:22pm
It's sad, then, that Christians are such good guardians of culture and neighborhoods, and disaffected atheists such poor ones.



toggletoggle post by ArilliusBM  at Jun 2,2009 7:19pm
Conservationist said[orig][quote]
It's sad, then, that Christians are such good guardians of culture and neighborhoods, and disaffected atheists such poor ones.


Society accepts this as the norm. Do you really think America would vote an Atheist president anytime soon?
Most religions teach good morals, values, and spiritual connectivity. Atheism itself does not teach those things as it has no "book" to go by, but a true atheist knows they don't need religion for good morals and values. Most of them, sadly, are quiet people who don't really raise a voice too much. We saw what happened last Christmas in Washington. Atheists made that sign stating "there are no gods, angels, etc." near the nativity scene. ( http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/12/05/atheists.christmas/index.html) Although the message is blunt (fuck, that would awesome to have one right now), it caused an uproar because of its negative message.

atheism will only affect the masses if it affects society in a positive manner. which it doesn't by any standard today.

Sad, blinded world we live in. i need a beer. or a couple.



toggletoggle post by yummy at Jun 2,2009 9:28pm edited Jun 2,2009 9:28pm
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
us yankees aren't well liked in kansas

shit, when is that Westboro Baptist GOD HATES FAGS march in boston going to happen? wasn't that coming up this summer?


They were at East Providence High School the other day. I missed it.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jun 2,2009 10:09pm
ArilliusBM said[orig][quote]
Conservationist said[orig][quote]
It's sad, then, that Christians are such good guardians of culture and neighborhoods, and disaffected atheists such poor ones.


Society accepts this as the norm. Do you really think America would vote an Atheist president anytime soon?
Most religions teach good morals, values, and spiritual connectivity. Atheism itself does not teach those things as it has no "book" to go by, but a true atheist knows they don't need religion for good morals and values. Most of them, sadly, are quiet people who don't really raise a voice too much. We saw what happened last Christmas in Washington. Atheists made that sign stating "there are no gods, angels, etc." near the nativity scene. ( http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/12/05/atheists.christmas/index.html) Although the message is blunt (fuck, that would awesome to have one right now), it caused an uproar because of its negative message.

atheism will only affect the masses if it affects society in a positive manner. which it doesn't by any standard today.

Sad, blinded world we live in. i need a beer. or a couple.


All true, especially the blunt part.

However, on reflection regarding this issue, I think the solution is an old one --

http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/

Non-dualistic religion is a philosophy, and a good way to compile knowledge most people are not going to figure out themselves.

At this point, it could even occur under the auspices of Christianity, which quite honestly is fine with me -- the philosophy, not the nameplate, matters.

I like the idea of community centers, shared value, working toward the good things, and staying out of the trap of modern liberalism -- a paranoia that always must find an oppressor to blame, and never take responsibility for actions and discipline the mind.



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