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New site? Maybe some day.
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Do long songs bore you or does it depend on the actual music of the song to make it good? Tempo, flow and mood and Vox?? |
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as long as a band can keep a long song interesting, then i love them. i hate drawn out long songs. Drudkh, Opeth, Enslaved, Moonsorrow, all good at writing really long songs. |
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I know sometimes there are just riffs that could go on and on that we love to hear but would you hate them if the vox or solos, guitar or bass suck?? |
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definitely, there are many elements that can boost or ruin it. i think the biggest one being vocals. |
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I agree about vocals. If they suck then it can actually make the song drag and make the song pull the vox to save it.. Yet, that is why sometimes vocals are or not important on long songs... Sometimes I find that with long songs you get to hear the music and get into it more without the vox or solos etc... Just me! |
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I love Meshuggah's endless songs but hate Neurosis for doing it. So I guess it depends on the music.
Bands who only have songs under 1:00 are even trickier to me. It's like 'listen to this album with 35 songs' which is pretty much one long song with tiny breaks between tracks. |
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Light of Day, Day of Darkness is amazing |
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"ha" I dont know what you mean about long dicks, but I am talking about long songs... you know where musicians actually play instruments and not your instruments. |
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Bands who only have songs under 1:00 are even trickier to me. It's like 'listen to this album with 35 songs' which is pretty much one long song with tiny breaks between tracks. |
With a lot of bands I listen to, 30 seconds to a minute is the ideal track size. |
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It really depends. Deathspell Omega do it perfectly. They have 3 different 20 min. songs and you don't know how they make it work, but they do and you don't even realise 20 min. went by. |
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Light of Day, Day of Darkness is amazing |
i love LOD,DOD, but i feel like a couple of the transitions are rough and a couple parts are extraneous. overall, it's great though. |
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Bands who only have songs under 1:00 are even trickier to me. It's like 'listen to this album with 35 songs' which is pretty much one long song with tiny breaks between tracks. |
With a lot of bands I listen to, 30 seconds to a minute is the ideal track size. |
Yeah they are cool I agree... but like isn't a band like Pig Destroyer or basically playing long songs with tiny breaks in the middle? When a random PD song comes up on shuffle, when it ends half the time I'm like 'why the fuck did the song stop playing?' cuz I'm so use to hearing the songs sandwiched together which is really like one long song.
But I suppose there are other bands like Anal Cunt or something where I don't feel that way at all so I guess I have no point. |
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Light of Day, Day of Darkness is amazing |
I totally agree with this statement. |
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Yeah they are cool I agree... but like isn't a band like Pig Destroyer or basically playing long songs with tiny breaks in the middle? |
I'm gonna disagree with that just because for the most part, I think stopping in the middle of a song is a sign of weakness. Occasionally it's done right but more often than not it just sounds like bands don't know how to transition. So I think the highest quality bands can blast through their shit, and the changes between songs are the only stops. |
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I'm constantly drawn to long songs and majority of the time I love them. However once in awhile I'll come across one that sucks. Manowar's 20 minute "Achilles, Agony and Ecstasy in Eight Parts" is kinda awful (cue comments about Manowar sucking in general) and it took me awhile to appreciate Boris' Absolutego. |
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as i've gotten older, my attention span has gotten shorter, so i don't enjoy long songs as much as i used to. when my band started almost 10 years ago, i wanted to write 7 or 8 minute songs most of the time, but now i'm happy with 4 minute songs. to me, 4 minutes is ideal, but i think a song should be as long or short as it needs to be to get its point across. some songs just need to be long. |
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to sum it up, i don't really care how long a song is as long as it's well written and interesting from start to finish. |
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Manowar's 20 minute "Achilles, Agony and Ecstasy in Eight Parts" is kinda awful (cue comments about Manowar sucking in general) and it took me awhile to appreciate Boris' Absolutego. |
ha. manowar is awesome. i has metal warriors stuck in my head the other day. fuck im listening to it now..... |
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Light of Day, Day of Darkness is amazing |
YES. This.
Otherwise stfu after 6 minutes. |
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Drudkh, Opeth, Enslaved, Moonsorrow, all really gay. |
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i don't care how long or short a song is. as long as i enjoy it from start to finish.
Frank Zappa had a couple of half-hour long tunes. "Billy The Mountain" was an excellent one.
i heard another Zappa tune that clocked in at about 28 minutes, and it was unbelivably bad....i don't even remember the name of it.
just like there are great short songs (Napalm Death - The Kill, Suffer Now - Drive by, Anal Cunt- You Rollerblaing Faggot) and lame short songs (alot of the stupid shit Cephallic Carnage put between their "real songs" on their split with Anal Blast) |
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Usually anything over 5 minutes, I lose interest. But that's in general. It varies between bands. For example, if Moonsorrow songs were a lot shorter I don't think they would capture the essence of the band. |
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It depends if it flows. My bands been deciding if we want to have a song less than 6 minutes long. So far all of ours are 8+min. |
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meshuggah wrote a pretty cool long song or two. overall my attention span is that of a gold fish. give me one or two good riffs and repeat them once. |
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http://www.myspace.com/orgoneus
I challenge anyone to listen to Vomited Hyacinths and not be entertained the whole song.
Thought I suppose 8:17 isn't tooooooo long.
Oh and Edge of Sanity. Crimson. |
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Do long songs bore you or does it depend on the actual music of the song to make it good? Tempo, flow and mood and Vox?? |
It depends on how the song is written. Otherwise you could do what some death metal bands do and just play the 3 minute song... again... and call the doubled song a longer work.
Some bands do long songs really well. Skepticism, Burzum, Summoning.
Others should not. |
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Like other said, it all depends on the band....if a band can keep it interesting throughout, then long songs are great...if not, it's annoying |
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Oh and Edge of Sanity. Crimson. |
Great example. |
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i agree with martinS and c.DEAD.
crimson is great. |
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perfect example of someone doing it right, Burzum - Det Som En Gang Var. its pretty much the same painfully simple riff for 8 minutes, and then another riff for the remainder of the song, but it never ceases to amaze me. |
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I depends. Some bands write good songs too short sometimes. |
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this thread makes me want to listen to my dying bride's "cry of mankind" |
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Works only for bands with a lot of atmosphere. A la not dream theater. |
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I will give Venom credit for "At War with Satan" about 13 mins when I started tolisten to them for a long song... back then... way back |
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Works only for bands with a lot of atmosphere. A la not dream theater. |
That makes no sense. |
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Works only for bands with a lot of atmosphere. A la not dream theater. |
That makes no sense. |
agreed.
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