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returntothepit >> discuss >> Hardcore gangs that can't fight on their own... by bendable_banana_slug on Jan 19,2004 12:02pm
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toggletoggle post by bendable_banana_slug at Jan 19,2004 12:02pm
I really can't fuckin stand pussy-ass kids who act like they are so fuckin tough that travel around in these crews and have no respect for anything or anyone. These kids are so close to each other they may as well fuck each other in the ass. GROW SOME HAIR ON YOUR NUTS AND FIGHT ON YOUR OWN!!!

P.S. DO DRUGS YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE!



toggletoggle post by XmikeX at Jan 19,2004 12:07pm


satisfied?


crybaby.



toggletoggle post by Terence   at Jan 19,2004 3:11pm
and what was the point of this thread? dont you people realize nothing changes. there are always gonnd be crews, there are always gonna be metal faggots. end of story.



toggletoggle post by retzam at Jan 19,2004 3:59pm
bendable_banana_slug said:
I really can't fuckin stand pussy-ass kids who act like they are so fuckin tough that travel around in these crews and have no respect for anything or anyone. These kids are so close to each other they may as well fuck each other in the ass. GROW SOME HAIR ON YOUR NUTS AND FIGHT ON YOUR OWN!!!

P.S. DO DRUGS YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE!


I can't decide who I would rather obliterate from the universe, those crews you are talking about or you.



toggletoggle post by swamplorddvm  at Jan 19,2004 6:55pm
I understand where hes coming from. I hate these tough guy fags. Why would you want to beat on people that listen to the same music you say you "love". At a metal pit the first thing you feel when you fall are arms reaching out to HELP you up, cause they are good human beings. and the whole "straightedge" thing is kinda retarded. I dont do drugs or drink but im not gonna cry about it in crappy songs that even my dead parrot can play, or draw stupid X's on my hand. Metal rules and always will. "hardcore" is just Metals little brother that wants to be cool but ends up looking dumb in doing so. I don't hate all "hardcore" but as a whole it pisses me off. The scene it self (ALL the fans) should be the crew, not a bunch of preps from the 'burbs that have the need to be tough. Just thrash and TRY to enjoy the music without killing fellow fans. and sadly Yes nothing changes but maybe we can lessen the number of asses. \m/



toggletoggle post by swamplorddvm  at Jan 19,2004 6:59pm
Oh yeah. Long live Metal!!!



toggletoggle post by Kalopsia   at Jan 19,2004 7:21pm
swamplorddvm said:
Oh yeah. Long live Metal!!!


couldn't have said it better myself. and you're right. the metal community is like a family. from what i've seen from hardcore kids is more like a prison. why? every single show i've ever gone to, all the fights i've seen were from hardcore fans. if you're gonna fuckin fight, do it somewhere else, don't ruin everyone elses night.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 19,2004 7:56pm
what's worse, matel kids that sit at home and don't go to shows
or hardore kids that roll in packs?

hopefully a million metalheads will prove me wrong and hit malignancy this weekend. but from what I've seen, metalheads are too cucking lazy to go to shows and would rather make excuses afterwards than hitting up a killer show.

example:
blood for blood


blood letting


and I will ad that b4b had next to 0 promotions.
basically words of mouth
bloodletting had one of the most extensive flyering and promotional campiagns I've seen. Definitely the biggest for a bombshelter show.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 19,2004 7:58pm
so saying metal is a family might be true..
cause 99.9% of families sit on their asses at home and get fat.



toggletoggle post by succubus  at Jan 19,2004 7:58pm
i was at both of those shows...

and in the second pic i can see litacore and blue
heh



toggletoggle post by moran   at Jan 19,2004 8:01pm
Fights happen everywhere. We've all seen them at metal and hardcore shows, I saw one at a hip hop show the other day. If you don't like it or you're not involved, shut the fuck up and forget about it, because bitching about it won't change a thing. I know hardcore kids who aren't dicks and I know metal kids who are bigger dicks than some hardcore kids. I just think its dumb when metal kids bitch about "tough" hardcore kids and hardcore kids bitch about "pussy" metal kids. Everyone should shut the fuck up and worry about themselves.



toggletoggle post by Terence   at Jan 19,2004 8:02pm
I hate everyone, be it hardcore crews or metal elitists. all i know is, EVERYONE BETTTER FUCKING GO TO MALIGNANCY THIS COMING SUNDAY. FKR'S.



toggletoggle post by DeOdiumMortis  at Jan 19,2004 8:12pm
If hardcore kids want metal kids to stop thinking they're all dickheads they should come to Malignancy on Sunday. If metalheads want hardcore kids to see that they're not all lazy elitists they sould come to Malignancy on Sunday.

Everybody fucking carpool!



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Jan 19,2004 9:48pm
I found a hardcore band I like!!!!

Colin of Arabia is fucking awesome and the guys in the band are wicked laid back and have a sense of humor, unlike other hardcore bands and fans which caused my severe anti-hardcore stance for the past 2 years.




toggletoggle post by ratt_mowe at Jan 19,2004 10:20pm
COA are definately really good AND are great guys. im good friends with them... been in bands with them in the past and whatnot. they will rock you all so hard.


and everyone BEST go the the malignancy show at the bombshelter this sunday... or feel my wrath.



toggletoggle post by BornSoVile   at Jan 19,2004 10:32pm
Joe/NotCommon said:
I found a hardcore band I like!!!!

Colin of Arabia is fucking awesome and the guys in the band are wicked laid back and have a sense of humor, unlike other hardcore bands and fans which caused my severe anti-hardcore stance for the past 2 years.



but Joe, what about Slapshot? The Freeze? Sheer Terror?



toggletoggle post by JellyFish at Jan 19,2004 10:38pm
I'm gonna have to agree. The metal scene is generally more welcoming and good spirited than the hardcore scene. The last metal show I was at was Helloween, and there were four or five guys there that could probably beat the shit out of anyone there or at most shows Ive been to lately, and they were the nicest guys in the world. The last hardcore show I was at was Diecast, and everything was fine until the end, and everyone started attacking this one kid. From there, every song after saw another attack on people in the crowd, who werent even in the pit. I see a problem with this. It happens often in the metal scene, but not nearly as often. Ive been to hundreds of metal shows, but Ive been to a million hardcore shows as well. I figure, if you really dont want to get hit, stay off the floor. Go hang out upstairs or something. If you do get hit, oh well! Its a pit, it happens. But dont call your 15 cronies to kick a guy to the ground if he bumps into you. And for god sakes, leave the people in the crowd alone. Ive seen more girls get hurt than guys sometimes, which pisses me off. We as metal and hardcore fans should take care of each other since were supposed to be fellow metalheads or hardcore fans anyway.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 19,2004 10:45pm
metalheads don't punch girls
they emotional abuse them.
diecast... thumbs down



toggletoggle post by Kalopsia   at Jan 19,2004 11:44pm
i unfortunately agree with u on that rev, not enough metalheads go to metal shows. i go to every one i can. but there's at least a dozen other death metal heads i know of in my town, and i almost never see them at a show. most of them either "don't have money" (GET A FUCKING JOB THEN U ASSHOLE!!!!!) or "had shit to do" (and what shit would that be?)



toggletoggle post by Terence   at Jan 19,2004 11:46pm
Its the same excuses everytime and its gay. FKN MALIGNANCY THIS COMING SUNDAY EVERYONE!!!

I better see 1000 people there.



toggletoggle post by Kalopsia   at Jan 19,2004 11:49pm
i'd go but i'm in new jersey



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 19,2004 11:52pm
the people on this board are the people that go to all the shows...
I'm a reverend preaching to the choir



toggletoggle post by blue  at Jan 19,2004 11:59pm
true true.

go to the show or be proclaimed in the name of suck.



toggletoggle post by XmikeX at Jan 20,2004 12:17am
People are people. Some are good. Some are assholes. The fact that you listen to metal does not make you a good person. I'd say a majority of the metal kids I've met have been complete waste of space assholes, along with alot of hardcore kids i've met. If metal kids are such good people then why can't I goto a metal show and have fun without a dozen long haired doofuses trying to start with me because i look different.

Personally I couldn't care less about music, or musical tastes. But to generalize things like that and to open your mouth about things you clearly know nothing about as cool as Oprah Winfrey's diherrea. You're a complete idiot if you think what style of music you listen to has anything at all to do with personal character.

metal has nerds and so does hardcore. it's never going to change. and no one will ever learn.

p.s. I'm straightedge. do something about it.



toggletoggle post by HiImPaul  at Jan 20,2004 12:19am
Metal being a family???? IN new england? hah! no one around here shows up to metal shows. Its like they dont even care. Hardcore kids go out to shows and fights happen, so what? At least hardcore is getting supported around here. In other states metal is bigger and better. I just want kids to show up to both metal and hardcore shows. Death metal is slowly but surely coming back around here. Please whether your into hardcore or metal or both come to the malignancy show it will rock



toggletoggle post by moran   at Jan 20,2004 1:05am
Mike and Paul, I agree with you 100%.......even though you guys listen to hardcore.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 20,2004 1:08am
thems fighting words.



toggletoggle post by DeOdiumMortis  at Jan 20,2004 2:09am
I better see Jo Jo leading the entire Not Common Roster in with one of those pre-school knotted ropes.



Remember...

Bake a cake for Jesus.



toggletoggle post by XmikeX at Jan 20,2004 9:16am
i love hearing about what goes on at hardcore shows, and how hardcore kids think from metal kids who NEVER GOTO HARDCORE SHOWS.

dummys.



toggletoggle post by XmikeX at Jan 20,2004 9:17am
DeOdiumMortis said:
Bake a cake for Jesus.


...in bed.




toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Jan 20,2004 10:36am
BornSoVile said:
Joe/NotCommon said:
I found a hardcore band I like!!!!

Colin of Arabia is fucking awesome and the guys in the band are wicked laid back and have a sense of humor, unlike other hardcore bands and fans which caused my severe anti-hardcore stance for the past 2 years.



but Joe, what about Slapshot? The Freeze? Sheer Terror?


what about slapshot?

The Freeze are awesome, probably the best hardcore band ever.
Sheer Terror is good too. But those bands don't exist anymore, I was talking about the current state of hardcore



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Jan 20,2004 10:38am
HiImPaul said:
Metal being a family???? IN new england? hah! no one around here shows up to metal shows. Its like they dont even care. Hardcore kids go out to shows and fights happen, so what? At least hardcore is getting supported around here. In other states metal is bigger and better. I just want kids to show up to both metal and hardcore shows. Death metal is slowly but surely coming back around here. Please whether your into hardcore or metal or both come to the malignancy show it will rock


plenty of people show up to metal shows.
You just don't go to the right shows.

I can't go to the Malignancy show unfortunately, apparantly I got banned from that club haha.



toggletoggle post by at Jan 20,2004 11:58am
XmikeX said:
People are people. Some are good. Some are assholes. The fact that you listen to metal does not make you a good person. I'd say a majority of the metal kids I've met have been complete waste of space assholes, along with alot of hardcore kids i've met. If metal kids are such good people then why can't I goto a metal show and have fun without a dozen long haired doofuses trying to start with me because i look different.

Personally I couldn't care less about music, or musical tastes. But to generalize things like that and to open your mouth about things you clearly know nothing about as cool as Oprah Winfrey's diherrea. You're a complete idiot if you think what style of music you listen to has anything at all to do with personal character.

metal has nerds and so does hardcore. it's never going to change. and no one will ever learn.

p.s. I'm straightedge. do something about it.




I'm with XmikeX on this one.. I go to the paladium to see UNearth and killswitch.. and theres a bunch of fat 40 year olds with black makeup and mullet wearing lamb of god shirts(wich is the same fucking band they came to see). I'm not going to doat about being straight edge and how I hate drugs because I don't. I'm clean that's enough for me but I'm not going to go out of my way to make myself an anti-drug bilboard. as for hardcore crews: does anyone remembr the our fate ends show last summer where a small group of kids tried jumping the band? those kids got thier asses handed to them thanks to those (pussy ass) crews.
Stereotype hardcore kids and I can stereotype metal heads as fat hairy alchoholic redneck mullets just as easily. Make fun of hardcore crews for being pussies (wich half of them would hand any of your asses to you) and I will say make fun of metal cliques just the same.

The bottom line is if you wanna bitch about druggies, make fun of niggers. If you wanna bitch about gangs full of pussies, make fun of niggers, if you want to make fun of someone else's music, make fun of niggers..... you get where I'm going.



toggletoggle post by noosebomb666  at Jan 20,2004 12:06pm
as an(old) metalhead who likes hardcore too, I agree with the fact that hardcore kids like to fight way too much. Back in the day, TT the Bears had great shows if you can beleive it. In the 80's I saw there: Nuclear Assault/Ludichrist, Voivod/Kreator, DRI, Agnostic Front, COC, The Mentors, etc etc. Anyways, At the A.F show, all I wanted to do was get close enough to see the band, but got punched in the face immediately upon getting within 20 feet from the stage, Same with COC and DRI. The hardcore kids were just such assholes. Im not saying that all hardcore kids are assholes, but a lot of them just want to fight. Metal is definitely more of a family type scene with more respect for others, thats for sure.



toggletoggle post by bendable_banana_slug at Jan 20,2004 12:11pm
haha i didnt say anything about metal or hardcore i said these KIDS. I meant PEOPLE. i understand that there are bad seeds in every group i was just pissed off and had to vent. I love all types of music and go to tons of shows metal and hardcore and yes death.all genres should unite because the battle is not between metal and hardcore,it is between the real underground and the plastic manufactured mainstream shit. and hey mike im not gunna do anything about you being straightedge, thats your choice. by the way, heavy bands of any type drop me an e-mail and we can setup a show at the civic center in fitchburg.later.

Nate



toggletoggle post by Blackout  at Jan 20,2004 12:16pm edited Jan 20,2004 12:16pm
I might be interested, who else is playing/ when is it? My band only has about 6 songs so we can open or play a short set. guarenteed to make you bleed from the ear-hole.



toggletoggle post by Blackout  at Jan 20,2004 12:19pm
noosebomb666 said:
as an(old) metalhead who likes hardcore too, I agree with the fact that hardcore kids like to fight way too much. Back in the day, TT the Bears had great shows if you can beleive it. In the 80's I saw there: Nuclear Assault/Ludichrist, Voivod/Kreator, DRI, Agnostic Front, COC, The Mentors, etc etc. Anyways, At the A.F show, all I wanted to do was get close enough to see the band, but got punched in the face immediately upon getting within 20 feet from the stage, Same with COC and DRI. The hardcore kids were just such assholes. Im not saying that all hardcore kids are assholes, but a lot of them just want to fight. Metal is definitely more of a family type scene with more respect for others, thats for sure.


I guess your right about hardcore kids loving to fight... there is respect and brotherhood among hardcore fans, you just need to know where to find it (throwdown shows)




toggletoggle post by succubus  at Jan 20,2004 12:21pm
well i like both types of music...

as they say, if you can't stand the heat .. stay out of the kitchen..
it's kind hard when i'm trying to take pictures though...i've been hit..hard...sometimes gotten an apology and other times... nothing... there was one show when aaron was across the room from me and i guess he saw it coming but i didn't and although he tried...i somehow ended up getting kicked HARD in the chest...it was bad...sometimes people watch out for me..and other times...no one...lol

i dunno

i'm worried about my camera getting messed up though..so sometimes my pics won't be a good because i'm not in the mood to deal with it



toggletoggle post by Blackout  at Jan 20,2004 12:27pm
That makes sence. Next time someone with a camera (for some reason close tthe pit) gets kicked, I'll be sure to donkey kick them in the face for ya. in the mean time, it shouldn't be to hard to stay away from the violence if your trying to take pictures.



toggletoggle post by bendable_banana_slug at Jan 20,2004 12:31pm
Blackout,I dont have the bands yet, i throw these shows about once every month. I believe the next one will be Feb. 17th, drop me an e-mail.
cutthroat_1@hotmail.com I'll start a new thread to see if any other bands that visit here are interested.It's usually 30 minute sets,5 bands,7-11pm all ages.later.



toggletoggle post by succubus  at Jan 20,2004 1:48pm edited Jan 20,2004 1:49pm
Blackout said:
That makes sence. Next time someone with a camera (for some reason close tthe pit) gets kicked, I'll be sure to donkey kick them in the face for ya. in the mean time, it shouldn't be to hard to stay away from the violence if your trying to take pictures.



lol
yeah but i want great action shots...so i like to get up front...but i feel like i need eyes in the back of my head...heh


oh and to all you guys that watch out for me at shows a great big <3



toggletoggle post by succubus  at Jan 20,2004 1:49pm
weird..i think i found a bug

<3


<3




toggletoggle post by succubus  at Jan 20,2004 1:50pm
yup a bug...

it was supposed to be a giant red heart...



toggletoggle post by noosebomb666  at Jan 20,2004 2:24pm
Blackout said:
I guess your right about hardcore kids loving to fight... there is respect and brotherhood among hardcore fans, you just need to know where to find it (throwdown shows)



Like I said, I meant no disrespect to the hardcore folks. Theres bad seeds in every crowd and ive seen plenty of idiots at metal shows too. But there needs to be a lot more unity, no more of this metal vs hardcore crap. I dont have a problem with straight edge or any other political or personal views that seem to go along with the hardcore scene, as long as it is not preached in my face and as long as I am not considered a "stupid metalhead" because I do not have the same views.




toggletoggle post by Blackout  at Jan 20,2004 2:59pm
It's a mutual feeling reguardless of age or tastes. If you watch my back, I'll watch yours. that's how it should be between metal and hardcore kids. excluding Numetal



toggletoggle post by DeOdiumMortis  at Jan 20,2004 3:25pm
Nu-metal is like the Osmond side of the Osmond family.



toggletoggle post by JellyFish at Jan 20,2004 5:37pm edited Jan 20,2004 5:41pm
For every one metal band I see, I see 2 or three hardcore bands. And generally, I need to 'watch' myself more at hardcore shows. I can actually be free in pits at metal shows more often without watching where my fist flies for fear of attack than at hardcore shows. And since 'moshing' isnt my style, it sucks when you punch an intolerant person. I love the shows and the music, but some people ruin it. And metal, theres always drunk assholes who think they're real cool too, which has gotten me into fights as well. I dont mind getting pounded, as long as someone would help me up if I fell. And hell yeah. Nu-metal does suck.



toggletoggle post by JellyFish at Jan 20,2004 5:45pm
And, oh yeah. Metal fans do need to get their shit together and go to more shows. And whoever the kid was that made the comment about 'niggers' on January 20th just shouldnt say shit like that. Its absolutely uncalled for. There are more than 10 kids on both the metal and hardcore scene I know that are black and cool as hell. Just keep that shit to yourself.



toggletoggle post by Blackout  at Jan 20,2004 6:12pm
Yeah, sorry about that, I wasn't thinking of Jonsie from KSE...
I don't really mean blacks when I say that, it's more directed at a specific group of stupid, unemployed, drug addicted, 50cent worshiping black community.
My bad



toggletoggle post by swamplorddvm  at Jan 20,2004 6:31pm
Wow you're an ass. "make fun of niggers". Do you hate "spics", "kikes" and "towel heads" as well? Twats the matter? the "white man" too scared to post his name up? Being able to kick someones ass doesn't mean you're "cool". who cares if "hardcore homeis" can kick ass. Back to the nigger thing... You ignorant bastard! if it wasnt for "niggers" we wouldn't have Rock 'n roll, which eventualy became. (actualy white dudes made Metal) but with out "NIGGERS" influence there would be no "hard core" or Metal. (well actualy the arabs could be to thank or the spanish for the GUITAR) and twat about God forbid? last time i checked they were all "niggers". yeah its good to know your shit. Look into history before hating people. Ignorance = Hate.
Good day sir.



toggletoggle post by swamplorddvm  at Jan 20,2004 7:01pm
oops. I took my time on my post so you must of written yours be for i could enter mine. I also joke around with that word. sorry dude. WORD UP NIGGA!!!



toggletoggle post by Blackout  at Jan 20,2004 7:14pm
lol not a problem.



toggletoggle post by xtruetilldeathx at Jan 27,2004 1:02pm
dude metal is just for the old hicks out in the boonies and if your acctually gonna say that metal is about family that is some bullshit you go to a slipknot show and some chick is gonna crowd surf and all those stupid metalheads will rush over to cop a cheap feel. try doin that at a hardcore show youll get your face beat in



toggletoggle post by Joe/NotCommon   at Jan 27,2004 1:12pm
haha true till death haha



toggletoggle post by succubus  at Jan 27,2004 1:18pm
hmmm metalheads going to slipknot?

dems ain't no true metal heads



toggletoggle post by JellyFish at Jan 27,2004 6:00pm
word up succubus. Ive never been to a goddamn slipknot show and i never will.



toggletoggle post by XmikeX at Jan 27,2004 9:22pm
throwdown sucks.
blind guardian sucks.

bam.



toggletoggle post by blackout  at Jan 28,2004 11:04am
XmikeX said:
throwdown sucks.
blind guardian sucks.

bam.


(throwdown shows)



toggletoggle post by xtruetilldeathx at Jan 29,2004 12:56pm
XmikeX said:
throwdown sucks.
blind guardian sucks.

bam.


try saying that to thier face



toggletoggle post by Abbath at Jan 29,2004 3:33pm
Wait a sec.....some people listen to harcore emo music by free will?



toggletoggle post by johnvanveen at Jan 29,2004 3:45pm
i herd the drummer of throwdown was on american idol



toggletoggle post by HiImPaul  at Jan 29,2004 4:37pm
moran said:
Mike and Paul, I agree with you 100%.......even though you guys listen to hardcore.


I do litsen to some hardcore, but I mainly litsen to metal ,mang.



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