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returntothepit >> discuss >> About 151,00 Iraqis killed since the U.S. led invasion by zyklon on Jan 9,2008 9:50pm
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toggletoggle post by zyklon at Jan 9,2008 9:50pm edited Jan 9,2008 9:50pm
About 151,000 Iraqi civilians were killed in the three years following the U.S.-led invasion of their country, according to World Health Organization (WHO) research published on Wednesday.

The new study, which said violent deaths could have ranged from 104,000 to 223,000 between March 2003 and June 2006, is the most comprehensive since the war started.

The study drew on an Iraqi health ministry survey of nearly 10,000 households -- five times the number of those interviewed in a disputed 2006 John Hopkins University study that said more than 600,000 Iraqis had died over the period.

While well below that figure, the United Nations agency's estimate exceeds the widely-cited 80,000 to 87,000 death toll by the human rights group Iraq Body Count, which uses media reports and hospital and morgue records to calculate its tally.

"There are a lot of uncertainties in making such estimates," WHO statistician Mohamed Ali, who co-authored the study, told reporters on a conference call.

He said insecurity made parts of Baghdad and Anbar provinces unreachable for those conducting the survey, which included questions about other topics including pregnancy and disease.

Many families also fled their homes as a result of the violence, and some left the country, making it hard to give a precise assessment of the violence in Iraq. As a result, Ali said the margin of error for the toll was relatively high.


Still, he said the household survey's large scale gave the findings more weight than previous attempts to estimate the number of Iraqis killed in battles between and among military forces, insurgents and sectarian fighters.

The John Hopkins University report, published by the British medical journal Lancet, which was based on a smaller-scale Iraqi survey, drew criticism from the White House and elsewhere for appearing to exaggerate the Iraqi death rate.

Iraqi Health Minister Saleh al-Hasnawi described the latest WHO report as "very sound" and said the survey indicated "a massive death toll since the beginning of the conflict."

"I believe in these numbers," he told the conference call.

The White House said it had not seen the study, but mourned the deaths of Iraqi civilians.

"The unmistakable fact is that the vast majority of these deaths are caused by the willful, murderous intentions of extremists committed to taking innocent life," said White House spokesman Tony Fratto.

"It is also beyond dispute that more Iraqi citizens would be condemned to death and oppression if they were abandoned by America and our coalition partners."

The U.S. Department of Defense said enormous precautions were taken to avoid civilian deaths and injuries.

More than half of the violent deaths documented in the WHO report occurred in Baghdad.

An average of 128 Iraqis suffered violent deaths every day in the first year following the invasion. The next year, an average of 115 were killed daily and 126 died from violence each day in the third year after the war started.

Estimates of Iraq's civilian deaths have been hampered by the lack of a well-functioning death registration system, the WHO said.

Some 3,915 U.S. and 174 British forces have died since the war began. Between 4,900 and 6,375 Iraqi military personnel are thought to have died, though no reliable official figures have been issued since new security forces were set up in late 2003.

Death tolls have fallen in recent months as the number of violent attacks in Iraq has declined.



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Jan 9,2008 9:55pm
"ya... but they were all bad."




toggletoggle post by sxealex   at Jan 9,2008 10:01pm
hahaha



toggletoggle post by My_dying_bride at Jan 9,2008 11:09pm
but they killed 3915 soldiers??????


why would the world hate us for that



toggletoggle post by PatMeebles at Jan 10,2008 12:36am
Because the world thinks we killed all those people, instead of the insurgents who place bombs underneath ice cream trucks and in churches.



toggletoggle post by i_am_lazy at Jan 10,2008 8:50am

"There are a lot of uncertainties in making such estimates," WHO statistician Mohamed Ali, who co-authored the study, told reporters on a conference call.


I thought Mohamed Ali was a boxer?



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 10,2008 8:53am
you can't box forever.



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Jan 10,2008 8:58am
PatMeebles said:
Because the world thinks we killed all those people, instead of the insurgents who place bombs underneath ice cream trucks and in churches.


And, worst of all, in ice cream churches.



toggletoggle post by brad weymouth at Jan 10,2008 11:19am
DestroyYouAlot said:
PatMeebles said:
Because the world thinks we killed all those people, instead of the insurgents who place bombs underneath ice cream trucks and in churches.


And, worst of all, in ice cream churches.


mmmm, ice cream churches



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Jan 10,2008 1:18pm
Helado Iglesias, the long lost son of Julio and brother of Enrique.



toggletoggle post by Hungtableed at Jan 10,2008 1:19pm
Fuck 'em.



toggletoggle post by INFECT  at Jan 10,2008 2:05pm
Hungtableed said:
Fuck 'em.


yea thats pretty much what we're doing



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