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returntothepit >> discuss >> Question for gearheads by immortal13 on Dec 28,2007 7:03pm
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toggletoggle post by immortal13 at Dec 28,2007 7:03pm
Is it possible to bring up the impedance my head puts out with a power amp? My new Basson cab requires a minimum load of 750 watts at 8 ohms, but my head only puts out 450 watts at 4 ohms. Would a power amp bring up the impedance and wattage? And if so, would I need a pre-amp to go with it.

For the record, my head is an Ampeg SVT-3 PRO, and it has a preamp output and power amp input, right next to each other like a lot of heads have.

Would this work, or do I need a new head?



toggletoggle post by Niccolai   at Dec 28,2007 7:06pm
that's not what your cab requires, it's what it can handle.

and with impedance, the lower the ohm number, the higher the actual resistance.




toggletoggle post by immortal13 at Dec 28,2007 7:08pm
No, the cab can handle 1000 watts at 8 ohms. There was a big piece of paper on top of the cab that said: Minimum power requirement: 750 Watts at 4 ohms.

So the lower the ohm number, the higher the resistance means? I used to know this, but kinda forgot after a year of not needing that knowledge.



toggletoggle post by SteveOTB   at Dec 28,2007 7:08pm edited Dec 28,2007 7:08pm
Niccolai said:
that's not what your cab requires, it's what it can handle.

and with impedance, the lower the ohm number, the higher the actual resistance.



Read on the right side, it mentions about needing an amp rated at 750+ watts at 8 ohms.

http://www.bassonsound.com/b410b.htm



toggletoggle post by Niccolai   at Dec 28,2007 7:09pm edited Dec 28,2007 7:12pm
that's a wiiiierd cab then. is there a series crossover in it?

based on what your saying, your head is only about 225-280 watts at 8 ohms... and for some reason your cab needs three times the power to run it.

That's a very unorthadox setup.



toggletoggle post by SteveOTB   at Dec 28,2007 7:25pm
Niccolai said:
that's a wiiiierd cab then. is there a series crossover in it?

based on what your saying, your head is only about 225-280 watts at 8 ohms... and for some reason your cab needs three times the power to run it.

That's a very unorthadox setup.


So essentially what we need is

MORE POWER!!!




toggletoggle post by immortal13 at Dec 28,2007 10:33pm
Niccolai said:
that's a wiiiierd cab then. is there a series crossover in it?

based on what your saying, your head is only about 225-280 watts at 8 ohms... and for some reason your cab needs three times the power to run it.

That's a very unorthadox setup.


That is around what my head runs at 8 ohms. Would a power amp be a good way to push more power? And would I need a preamp to go with it?



toggletoggle post by unholy_dave at Dec 29,2007 2:10am
immortal13 said:
Would a power amp be a good way to push more power?

yes

And would I need a preamp to go with it?

you should plug the preamp output into the input of the power amp. your head will then act as the preamp.




toggletoggle post by ArrowHead likes Ellios Pizza at Dec 29,2007 1:43pm
unholy_dave said:
immortal13 said:
Would a power amp be a good way to push more power?

yes

And would I need a preamp to go with it?

you should plug the preamp output into the input of the power amp. your head will then act as the preamp.



But without a load connected to the power amp output of his head, he's going to fry his output transformer.

The simple solution is either
A) buy a cab rated for your head
B) buy a head rated for your cab



toggletoggle post by Niccolai   at Dec 29,2007 2:37pm
I'm afraid pete's right.

your head has a built in power amp, you just can't aplify an amplifier to increase power consumption.



toggletoggle post by Blue  at Dec 29,2007 2:56pm
yup. sell your head and buy a powerful as fuck head, or go the preamp/poweramp route. if you're not looking to kill yourself monetarily, go pre/power and buy used.



toggletoggle post by unholy_dave at Dec 29,2007 3:33pm
ArrowHead likes Ellios Pizza said:
unholy_dave said:
immortal13 said:
Would a power amp be a good way to push more power?

yes

And would I need a preamp to go with it?

you should plug the preamp output into the input of the power amp. your head will then act as the preamp.



But without a load connected to the power amp output of his head, he's going to fry his output transformer.




that head is solid state, it should be fine.
a better suggestion though, is what you and blue both said. i'd trade thaat thing in or sell it and move up to the svt 4 pro, 1200 watts @ 4 ohms, and nearly identical preamp section



toggletoggle post by Niccolai   at Dec 29,2007 3:51pm
I would try sending an email to Basson first before anything though

it sounds fishy that their cab won't work with any head that uses less then 750 watts at 8 ohms. It may be a typo?



toggletoggle post by immortal13 at Dec 30,2007 10:40am
unholy_dave said:
ArrowHead likes Ellios Pizza said:
unholy_dave said:
immortal13 said:
Would a power amp be a good way to push more power?

yes

And would I need a preamp to go with it?

you should plug the preamp output into the input of the power amp. your head will then act as the preamp.



But without a load connected to the power amp output of his head, he's going to fry his output transformer.




that head is solid state, it should be fine.
a better suggestion though, is what you and blue both said. i'd trade thaat thing in or sell it and move up to the svt 4 pro, 1200 watts @ 4 ohms, and nearly identical preamp section


Nope. My head is a tube head with a mosfet power section.

Can't get the SVT-4 because I need a head that runs 8 ohms, not 4.



toggletoggle post by Niccolai   at Dec 30,2007 10:50am
any head that will handle a 4 ohm load will also handle an 8 ohm load, since 8 ohms is less resistance.

generally speaking, a amp that uses 400 watts at 4 ohms, will use in the area of 200 watts at 8 ohms. half of the resistance means half of the power is needed.



toggletoggle post by unholy_dave at Dec 30,2007 11:04am
immortal13 said:

Nope. My head is a tube head with a mosfet power section.

i'm aware of that, my point is that a solid state power amp (MOSFET or otherwise) will not be damaged by not having a load attached to it. it makes no difference whether there are tubes in the preamp.

Can't get the SVT-4 because I need a head that runs 8 ohms, not 4.


like niccolai said, any head that is stable at 4 ohms will run at 8 no problem. if were you i'd get rid of the bassoon and get an ampeg. look around, someone's always selling one somewhere (craigslist is a good resource for that) and you can often get one used for around 500 bucks.



toggletoggle post by Blue  at Dec 30,2007 12:16pm
he just got rid of his ampeg 4x10, he is endorsed by basson now.



toggletoggle post by Niccolai   at Dec 30,2007 12:44pm
plus basson cabs are fucking killer. I wouldn't want to get rid of it.


Like I said before, call basson and tell them exactly what you have and want to do. they will be able to give you the best idea.



toggletoggle post by sinistas   at Dec 30,2007 1:11pm
There's a lot of bullshit in this thread, but check it out anyways. Basson claims that if you underpower the cab, the voice coils will break:

http://acapella.harmony-central.com/archive/index.php/t-1184179.html



toggletoggle post by unholy_dave at Dec 30,2007 2:07pm
sounds like the folks at Bassoon are a bunch of clowns. the only way a voice coil is going to burn out with an underpowered amp is if you drive the amp to ungodly amounts of clipping, and even then it's unlikely.
and your tone would go to shit long before then anyway.
total bullshit.



toggletoggle post by immortal13 at Dec 30,2007 4:26pm
Blue said:
he just got rid of his ampeg 4x10, he is endorsed by basson now.


Didn't get rid of it yet. Still up for sale. $400 if anyone wants it?



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