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returntothepit >> discuss >> RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT by CNV on Dec 18,2007 6:04pm
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toggletoggle post by CNV at Dec 18,2007 6:04pm
Ron Paul is the only rebel out there...

He will take care of the problems the USA has with those rotten to the core jews over in Israel sucking the lifeblood from this country! No more foreign entanglements!!!

Fuck Israel, Fuck Africa, Fuck Mexico, Fuck Gun Control, Fuck the IRS, Fuck the Government, Fuck the corporations!!!

Cleaning up America for Americans!!!

RON FUCKING PAUL 08 !!!!



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at Dec 18,2007 6:06pm
i haven't done a lot of research, but how is he going to back up his claim to cut deficit spending AND get rid of income tax?



toggletoggle post by CNV at Dec 18,2007 6:10pm



toggletoggle post by sxealex   at Dec 18,2007 6:15pm
he wont get elected for the sole reason that he looks like a clown



toggletoggle post by CNV at Dec 18,2007 6:18pm
and did I mention he wants to decriminalize marijuana...

If Ron Paul did win he had better have some top notch security because there would be a lot corrupt cocksuckers lookin to put a bullet in his head...




toggletoggle post by Fuck_Logging_In_NLI at Dec 18,2007 6:27pm
fuck racism



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Dec 18,2007 6:28pm
dreadkill said:
i haven't done a lot of research, but how is he going to back up his claim to cut deficit spending AND get rid of income tax?


Legalize photocopying dollar bills.



toggletoggle post by CNV at Dec 18,2007 6:32pm
Fuck_Logging_In_NLI said:
I was leaning more towards Hillary or Barack Obama. After all, I am gay...





toggletoggle post by Fuck_Logging_In_NLI at Dec 18,2007 6:40pm
CNV said:
Fuck_Logging_In_NLI said:
I was leaning more towards Hillary or Barack Obama. After all, I am gay...




speaks real well for Ron Paul and the people who support him.
libertarian= racist republican dipshits who smokes weed



toggletoggle post by CNV at Dec 18,2007 6:46pm
whoa, whoa, whoa stop the press... Who said anything about racism?

If your gonna come in here talking out your ass about an all american patriot that upholds the constitution at least explain yourself cry baby...

and to everyone else, are you gonna man up and vote for DR. RON "the rebel" Paul or are you gonna slide your pinko commie tampon in?! WOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHOOOOOOOOO!!!!



toggletoggle post by CNV at Dec 18,2007 6:48pm
ps- Go sop ya cunts up... Ya bleeding heart Queeyahs!



toggletoggle post by Hoser at Dec 18,2007 7:05pm
I whole-heartedly agree. Ron Paul 2008!!!



toggletoggle post by pam   at Dec 18,2007 7:12pm
CNV said:
whoa, whoa, whoa stop the press... Who said anything about racism?


CNV said:
He will take care of the problems the USA has with those rotten to the core jews over in Israel sucking the lifeblood from this country! No more foreign entanglements!!!

Fuck Israel, Fuck Africa, Fuck Mexico, Fuck Gun Control, Fuck the IRS, Fuck the Government, Fuck the corporations!!!

Cleaning up America for Americans!!!






toggletoggle post by CNV at Dec 18,2007 7:21pm
pam said:
CNV said:
whoa, whoa, whoa stop the press... Who said anything about racism?


CNV said:
He will take care of the problems the USA has with those rotten to the core jews over in Israel sucking the lifeblood from this country! No more foreign entanglements!!!

Fuck Israel, Fuck Africa, Fuck Mexico, Fuck Gun Control, Fuck the IRS, Fuck the Government, Fuck the corporations!!!

Cleaning up America for Americans!!!





There is nothing racist in that statement... Fact of the matter is we funnel billions to Israel and what do they do for us Pammy wammy? Not a god damn thing except cause us to be entangled in some war that we should not be in...

and Africa?! Well if your gonna be a liberal cry baby, how bout helping the Americans first that are starving... America first baby, America first

Mexico?! Fuck em' ... They need to sort there own god damn problems out... We have enough god damn people in this country and the last thing we need is a bunch of cheap labor coming in and taking the working class americans jobs away...

Pam, your pre menstrual baby cakes... Go get some birth control for them cramps ahhh yours... Love Uncle Pauly




toggletoggle post by pam   at Dec 18,2007 7:30pm
Actually, cupcake, I was just pointing out what prompted Fuck_Logging_In to say what he said. And it's pretty hard to be pre-menstrual when you're not menstruating, but thanks for patronizing me anyway. I really could care less what a racist, misogynist Nazi like yourself thinks about much of anything, so explanations of your thought processes aren't really necessary.

And birth control doesn't stop cramps, it stops birth. You might want to brush up on your wit, captain.



toggletoggle post by CNV at Dec 18,2007 7:39pm
Racist, misgynist, and a nazi?! Gee whiz Pam, you really are hurting my feelings... Fact of the matter is your programmed... If someone is critical of jews they are automatically a "nazi" these days... If someone says "you know 40 percent of the rivers and streams in this country are polluted because there is too many god damn people" than that automatically makes them a "bigot"... Turn your whiny white guilt bullshit sideways and drive it up yer ass...

and all the rest of you fake ass gangstah's need to pull up yo fuckin pants cuz there is a new nigga in town and he can't be faded...

RON PAUL 08



toggletoggle post by pam   at Dec 18,2007 7:44pm
Whatever, dude.



toggletoggle post by Fuck_Logging_In_NLI at Dec 18,2007 7:53pm
I wasn't saying Ron Paul is a racist you are.
Its all right to question the policies of countries like Israel and Mexico... and maybe the CONTINENT of Africa...a region made up by lots of different countries and ethnic groups.
but in the context you are using its just a thin mask for you racist beliefs and don't get but hurt when some one calls you on it.




toggletoggle post by CNV at Dec 18,2007 8:01pm
Fuck_Logging_In_NLI said:
I wasn't saying Ron Paul is a racist you are.
Its all right to question the policies of countries like Israel and Mexico... and maybe the CONTINENT of Africa...a region made up by lots of different countries and ethnic groups.
but in the context you are using its just a thin mask for you racist beliefs and don't get but hurt when some one calls you on it.



Nope, I think your full of shit... You would be one of the whiney fucks that calls Pat Buchanan a nazi. I have friends that are of different ethnic backgrounds and most of them agree with the things I am saying....

You talk out your ass and make assumptions... Nice try...



toggletoggle post by Fuck_Logging_In_NLI at Dec 18,2007 8:03pm
nice strawman argument.



toggletoggle post by CNV at Dec 18,2007 8:04pm
pam said:
Whatever, dude.


Brilliant rebuttal Pam, that is just brilliant... I am at a loss for words. Speechless at your skills of debate.

You have clearly won.



toggletoggle post by CNV at Dec 18,2007 8:06pm
Fuck_Logging_In_NLI said:
nice strawman argument.


Is that all you got? Dude, you gotta go back to those Communist gatherings you used to attend and brush up on how to be a jerk off that is divorced from reality...

It really is quite sad...



toggletoggle post by pam   at Dec 18,2007 8:31pm
CNV said:
pam said:
Whatever, dude.


Brilliant rebuttal Pam, that is just brilliant... I am at a loss for words. Speechless at your skills of debate.

You have clearly won.


I don't care. At all.



toggletoggle post by Hoser at Dec 18,2007 8:36pm
Shit, I missed my chance!!!

Ron Paul is the balls...

Finally an American that stands for A.M.E.R.I.C.A.

Honestly, check out his record and politics. I think that you'll agree.



toggletoggle post by Murph nli at Dec 18,2007 8:43pm
I wouldn't say you're a racist, per se, but you definitely are bigoted.

Ron Paul has a lot of great ideas, especially because he is a Constitutionalist, yet that fact alone means that he has to be even more careful in his approach because the Constitution can be analyzed and utilized depending on the viewpoint (reference Constitutionalist Thomas Jefferson who commandeered the Louisiana Purchase w/out explicitly having that power decreed by the Constitution). I am more in the line with Dennis Kucinich, yet I feel he too is at the mercy of the Constitution (as with his want of strict gun control and outlawing handguns, which is not gonna happen).

CNV, I understand man. It is really goddamn cold where you are, so I'd be kinda pissy too.



toggletoggle post by CNV at Dec 18,2007 8:45pm
Jake knows what he's talkin bout...

and Pam, you cared enough to post in this thread and now that you have made no valid points and cannot argue with reality "You don't care. At all... "

Whatever, dude.



toggletoggle post by watchmaker666nli at Dec 18,2007 8:46pm
I am voting for him for one reason, he wants to abolish the IRS = more money for me! Selfish I know but thats the reason



toggletoggle post by CNV at Dec 18,2007 8:48pm
Murph nli said:
I wouldn't say you're a racist, per se, but you definitely are bigoted.

Ron Paul has a lot of great ideas, especially because he is a Constitutionalist, yet that fact alone means that he has to be even more careful in his approach because the Constitution can be analyzed and utilized depending on the viewpoint (reference Constitutionalist Thomas Jefferson who commandeered the Louisiana Purchase w/out explicitly having that power decreed by the Constitution). I am more in the line with Dennis Kucinich, yet I feel he too is at the mercy of the Constitution (as with his want of strict gun control and outlawing handguns, which is not gonna happen).

CNV, I understand man. It is really goddamn cold where you are, so I'd be kinda pissy too.


Well Murph, thanks for that bud... In one way or another we are all "bigoted".




toggletoggle post by SW at Dec 18,2007 10:54pm
CNV said:
Ron Paul is the only rebel out there...

He will take care of the problems the USA has...



There's your problem right there. If you think one man is going to come in and make all of America's problems disappear, you are sadly mistaken my friend. You are the one divorced from reality.
If you want to vote for him that's great, but don't come on here acting like if we all don't vote for him we're doomed. Because guess what?
You said fuck the corporations. Well who do think controls this country no matter who the fuck is president?

also please explain to me how saying "jews are rotten to the core" is not a display of bigotry?




toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Dec 18,2007 11:55pm
your vote does not count.



toggletoggle post by ZJD   at Dec 19,2007 12:19am
Ron Paul, Libertarianism, and the Freedom to Starve to Death
by Sherry Wolf

"Politics, like nature, abhors a vacuum," goes the revamped aphorism.
Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul's surprising stature among
a small but vocal layer of antiwar activists and leftist bloggers appears
to bear this out.

At the October 27, 2007, antiwar protests in dozens of cities, noticeable contingents of supporters carried his campaign placards and circulated sign-up sheets. The Web site Antiwar.com features a weekly Ron Paul column. Some even dream of a Left-Right gadfly alliance for the 2008 ticket. According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, liberal maverick and Democratic presidential hopeful Dennis Kucinich told supporters in late November he was thinking of making Ron Paul his running mate if he were to get the nomination.

No doubt, the hawkish and calculating Hillary Rodham Clinton and flaccid murmurings of Barack Obama, in addition to the uninspiring state of the antiwar movement that backed a prowar candidate in 2004, help fuel the desperation many activists feel. But leftists must unequivocally reject the reactionary libertarianism of this longtime Texas congressman and 1988 Libertarian Party presidential candidate.

Ron Paul's own campaign Web site reads like the objectivist rantings of
Ayn Rand, one of his theoretical mentors. As with the Atlas Shrugged author's other acolytes, neocon guru Milton Friedman and former Federal
Reserve chair Alan Greenspan, Paul argues, "Liberty means free-market
capitalism." He opposes "big government" and in the isolationist fashion of the nation's Pat Buchanans, he decries intervention in foreign nation's affairs and believes membership in the United Nations undermines U.S. sovereignty.

Naturally, it is not Ron Paul's paeans to the free market that some progressives find so appealing, but his unwavering opposition to the war in Iraq and consistent voting record against all funding for the war. His straightforward speaking style, refusal to accept the financial perks of office, and his repeated calls for repealing the Patriot Act distinguish him from the snakeoil salesmen who populate Congress. Paul is no power-hungry, poll-tested shyster.

Though Paul is unlikely to triumph in the primaries, it is worth taking
stock not only of his actual positions, but more importantly the libertarian underpinnings that have wooed so many self-described leftists and progressives. Because at its core, the fetishism of individualism that underlies libertarianism leads to the denial of rights to the very people most radicals aim to champion -- workers, immigrants, Blacks, women, gays, and any group that lacks the economic power to impose their individual rights on others.

Ron Paul's Positions

A cursory look at Paul's positions, beyond his opposition to the war and the Patriot Act, would make any leftist cringe.

Put simply, he is a racist. Not the cross-burning, hood-wearing kind to
be sure, but the flat Earth society brand that imagines a colorblind world where 500 years of colonial history and slavery are dismissed out of hand and institutional racism and policies under capitalism are imagined away. As his campaign Web site reads:

"The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence -- not skin color, gender, or ethnicity."

His six-point immigration plan appears to have been cribbed from the gun-toting vigilante Minutemen at the border. "A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked," reads his site. And he advocates cutting off all social services to undocumented immigrants, including hospitals, schools, clinics, and even roads (how would that work?).

Though he rants about his commitment to the Constitution, he introduced
an amendment altering the Fourteenth Amendment guaranteeing
citizenship to anyone born in the United States, saying in a 2006 article:

"Birthright citizenship, originating in the 14th amendment, has become a
serious cultural and economic dilemma for our nation. . . . We must end
the perverse incentives that encourage immigrants to come here illegally, including the anchor baby incentive."

Here we come up against the limits of libertarianism -- Paul wants a strong state to secure the borders, but he wants all social welfare expenditures eliminated for those within them.

Paul is quite vocal these days about his rank opposition to abortion --
"life begins at conception," he argues. He promotes a "states' rights"
position ..ion -- that decades-old hobgoblin of civil rights opponents. And he has long opposed sexual harassment legislation, writing in his 1988 book Freedom Under Siege (available online), "Why don't they quit once the so-called harassment starts?" In keeping with his small government worldview, he goes on to argue against the government's right "to tell an airline it must hire unattractive women if it does not want to."

In that same book, written as the AIDS crisis was laying waste to the American gay male population prompting the rise of activist groups demanding research and drugs, Paul attacked AIDS sufferers as "victims
of their own lifestyle." And in a statement that gives a glimpse of the ruling-class tyranny of individualism he asserts that AIDS victims demanding rushed drug trials were impinging on "the rights of insurance
company owners."

Paul also opposes equal pay for equal work, a minimum wage, and,
naturally, trade unions. In 2007, he voted against restricting employers' rights to interfere in union drives and against raising the federal minimum wage to $7.25. In 2001, he voted for zero-funding for OSHA's Ergonomics Rules, instead of the $4.5 billion. At least he's consistent.

Individualism versus Collectivism

There is a scene in Monty Python's satire Life of Brian where Brian, not wanting to be the messiah, calls out to the crowd: "You are all individuals." The crowd responds in unison: "We are all individuals."

Libertarians, using pseudo-iconoclastic logic, transform this comical send-up of religious conformity into their own secular dogma in which we are all just atomized beings. "Only an individual has rights," not groups such as workers, Blacks, gays, women, and minorities, Ron Paul argues. True, we are all individuals, but we didn't just bump into one another. Human beings by nature are social beings who live in a collective, a society. Under capitalism, society is broken down into classes in which some individuals -- bosses, for example -- wield considerably more power than others -- workers.

To advocate for society to be organized on the basis of strict individualism, as libertarians do, is to argue that everyone has the right to do whatever he or she wants. Sounds nice in the abstract, perhaps. But what happens when the desires of one individual infringe on the desires of another? Libertarians like Paul don't shy away from the logical ramifications of their argument. "The dictatorial power of a majority," he argues, ought to be replaced by the unencumbered power of individuals -- in other words, the dictatorial power of a minority.

So if the chairman of Dow Chemical wants to flush his company's toxic
effluence into rivers and streams, so be it. If General Motors wants to pay its employees starvation wages, that's their right, too. Right-wing libertarians often appear to not want to grapple with meddlesome things like economic and social power. As the bourgeois radical Abraham Lincoln observed of secessionist slaveowners, "That perfect liberty they sigh for" is "the liberty of making slaves of other people."

Too Much Government?

Unwavering hostility to government and its collection of taxes is another hallmark of libertarianism. Given the odious practices of governments under capitalism, their repugnant financial priorities, and bilking of the lower classes through taxation, it's hardly surprising that libertarians get a hearing.

But the conclusion that the problem is "big government" strips the content from the form. Can any working-class perspective seriously assert that we have too much government involvement in providing health care? Too much oversight of the environment, food production, and workplace safety? Would anyone seriously consider hopping a flight without the certainty of national, in fact international, air traffic control? Of course not. The problem doesn't lie with some abstract construct, "government," the problem is that the actual class dynamics of governments under capitalism amount to taxing workers and the poor in lieu of the rich and powerful corporations and spending those resources on wars, environmental devastation, and the enrichment of a tiny swath of society at the expense of the rest of us.

Ron Paul argues, "Government by majority rule has replaced strict protection of the individual from government abuse. Right of property ownership has been replaced with the forced redistribution of wealth and property. . . ." Few folks likely to be reading this article will agree that we actually live in a society where wealth and property are expropriated from the rich and given to workers and the poor. Even the corporate media admit that there has been a wholesale redistribution of wealth in the opposite direction. But Paul exposes here the class nature of libertarianism -- it is the provincial political outlook of the middle-class business owner obsessed with guarding his lot.

In fact, the libertarians' opposition to the government, or the state if you will, is less out of hostility to what the state actually does than who is running it. Perhaps this explains Paul's own clear contradiction when it comes to abortion, since his opposition to government intervention stops at a woman's uterus. But freedom for socialists has always been about more than the right to choose masters. Likewise, Paul appears to be for "small government" except when it comes to using its power to restrict immigration. His personal right to not have any undocumented immigrants in the U.S. seems to trump the right of free movement of individuals, but not capital, across borders.

Right-wing libertarians, quite simply, oppose the state only insofar as
it infringes the right of property owners.

Left-Right Alliance?

Some antiwar activists and leftists desperate to revitalize a flagging antiwar movement make appeals to the Left to form a Left-Right bloc with Ron Paul supporters. Even environmental activist and left-wing author Joshua Frank, who writes insightful and often scathing attacks on liberal Democrats' capitulations to reactionary policies, recently penned an article citing -- though not endorsing -- Paul's campaign in calling for leftist antiwar activists to reach out to form a sort of Left-Right antiwar alliance. He argues, "Whether we're beer swilling rednecks from Knoxville or mushroom eatin' hippies from Eugene, we need to come together"("Embracing a New Antiwar Movement," 4 December 2007).

Supporters of Ron Paul who show up to protests should have their reactionary conclusions challenged, not embraced. Those of his supporters who are wholly ignorant of his broader politics beyond the war should be educated about them. And those who advocate his noxious politics, should be attacked for their racism, immigrant bashing, and hostility to the values a genuine Left champions. The sort of Left-Right alliance Frank advocates is not only opportunistic, but is also a repellent to creating the multiracial working-class movement that is sorely needed if we are to end this war. What Arabs, Blacks, Latinos -- and antiracist whites, for that matter -- would ever join a movement that accommodates to this know-nothing brand of politics?

Discontent with the status quo and the drumbeat of electoralism is driving many activists and progressives to seek out political alternatives. But libertarianism is no radical political solution to inequality, violence, and misery. When the likes of Paul shout: "We need freedom to choose!" we need to ask, "Yes, but freedom for whom?" Because the freedom to starve to death is the most dubious freedom of all.



toggletoggle post by CNV at Dec 19,2007 2:08am
SW said:
CNV said:
Ron Paul is the only rebel out there...

He will take care of the problems the USA has...



There's your problem right there. If you think one man is going to come in and make all of America's problems disappear, you are sadly mistaken my friend. You are the one divorced from reality.
If you want to vote for him that's great, but don't come on here acting like if we all don't vote for him we're doomed. Because guess what?
You said fuck the corporations. Well who do think controls this country no matter who the fuck is president?

also please explain to me how saying "jews are rotten to the core" is not a display of bigotry?



Listen up, your another dipshit putting words in my mouth... There is no such thing as utopia but I will tell you this much, Ron Paul is the only guy in my humble opinion that is addressing the real issues... Maybe he is full of shit... Maybe he will not deliver but at the very least he is exposing the problem... Go blow it out yer ass...

I said the jews in Israel are rotten to the core, not all jews... Get it straight.

Israel are the cocksuckers that caused the wars, tricked people into dying for them and all this is totally legit under their twisted religion: Judaism...

We fund them and they don't do shit in return for us because we (according to them ) are the "gentiles" and are inferior to them.... Here's another tid bit of info sap- Nazism was modeled after judaism... sort of like a negative reaction to what those shit bags were doing to Europe... The wrong reaction nonetheless... Get a clue, read some books, and fuckk off till you and the rest of the chumps on this board have a valid arguement...

Love,

Uncle Pauly



toggletoggle post by CNV at Dec 19,2007 2:09am
and for ZJD, I will wipe away your weak and biased arguement away as well when I get the chance.



toggletoggle post by CNV at Dec 19,2007 2:43am
I have not read the entire blog of Sherry "feminazi" Wolf... But I think I get the just of it... She is saying that certain people are going to benefit at the expense of others if Ron Paul becomes president.

Newsflash! That is how politics works... I do not care who the candidate is- People will benefit at the expense of others....

Every fuckin government benefits at the expense of others... Every single one throughout the history of time...

She says Ron paul is racist... Typical. You could say the same thing about the state of Israel... Actually ya really do not have to say it... It's a fact. I bet Sherry is jewish? Would that hold any clout?

America has lost it's way and Dr. Paul is the only candidate telling you why... The truth hurts and nowadays tellin the truth is a revolutionary act...

Now join the Ron Paul revolution... Hahaha



toggletoggle post by Y_Ddraig_Goch  at Dec 19,2007 3:07am
CNV is right with the whole Israel thing, but guess what, we've been brainwashed into thinking anyone who speaks out about the poor jews is a racist.

"6" million jews were killed in ww2....


10 million christians were killed by Stalin (a jew) in russia right after...


but which one is more documented and exploited.

You should watch videos on what those nice jews do over in israel to the Palestinians

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tW1-_JmXQt0

there's an excellent one that typifies what goes on on a daily basis


and for the record, I am not racist at all, just fervently nationalistic for America, and sick of seeing her suffer to the Israeli scourge



toggletoggle post by CNV at Dec 19,2007 3:27am
wow, that video really makes the blood boil...



toggletoggle post by infect sli sli sli at Dec 19,2007 3:43am
CNV said:
I have not read the entire blog of Sherry "feminazi" Wolf... But I think I get the just of it... She is saying that certain people are going to benefit at the expense of others if Ron Paul becomes president.

Newsflash! That is how politics works... I do not care who the candidate is- People will benefit at the expense of others....


This is a fact, politics is a power struggle between self interested parties. the winners consolidate their power and fuck everyone else over 6 ways past tuesday. The libertarian/conservative view of this is that it is natural, inevitable, and therefore "right" somehow. This I cannot agree with.
Even in the current state of affairs with all the meddlesome "re-distribution of wealth" (not sure who its being re-distributed to) and other commie mischief that the right loves to lament, one can still clearly see what happens when "individuals" who are actually huge conglomerated corporate interests, are allowed too much "freedom". Without any check on their power (or more importantly their ability to consolidate MORE power) these entities become the oppressive force in society, and everyone else (the working class, the environment, the third world, etc. etc.) gets fucked.
Now as for your second very true assertion,

Every fuckin government benefits at the expense of others... Every single one throughout the history of time...

well yeah, absolute power corrupts absolutely,
the problem is that in recent history, corporate interests have become more powerful and therefore able to inflict far more damage on actual individuals than any government ever has. governments of first world industrialized liberal democracies must at least feign the appearance of serving the public interest.
free market capitalism works in theory, because there is no accounting for differences in power and influence among "individuals".
unfortunately it "works" in practice because the people who get fucked by it get fucked so totally, that they completely lack any of the freedom, power, resources, education, voice, influence, etc. that it would take to change their situation.
government has a legitimate purpose within civilization; making sure the big guys don't fuck the little guys too hard.

if you want to go back to REAL libertarianism, i.e. the law of nature,
I am totally there, but that means that all the CEO's and Investors get stripped of their money and their private security guards and have to come out and compete in the true sense of the word... somehow i dont think they would last too long. what passes for "the fittest" in a capitalist society is pretty far perverted from what it means in nature.



toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Dec 19,2007 5:38am
to CNV and Y ddraig goch:

it's funny how you say you have so many problems with israel, seeing as how they wouldn't be a country if it weren't for america post-WW2. do you think it's israel to blame or america's will under the guise of israel? we used the formation of that country to gain a stronger presence in the middle east, and now we're doing the same by reforming the iraqi government and may very well be doing the same to iran.

racism



toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Dec 19,2007 5:43am
also, the africa problem is HUGE in correlation to the state of the world.

african countries are in GIGANTIC debt because people came in and manipulated their way into controlling the natural resources of the individual countries of africa(diamonds, gold, silver, oil, you name it). africa is the richest continent in the world when it comes to resources of that nature, but there are constant struggles for power over there because of these resources and the debt that was created by the lust for these things. these problems tie into the affairs of the world, which america is a part of, so obviously it would be in our best interest to help african countries establish themselves so they can maintain stability over their own affairs. THEN we won't have to worry about it anymore.

bono at least got SOMETHING right



toggletoggle post by xmikex at Dec 19,2007 8:53am
CNV said:

and to everyone else, are you gonna man up and vote for DR. RON "the rebel" Paul or are you gonna slide your pinko commie tampon in?! WOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHOOOOOOOOO!!!!


HAHAHA. Can Dr. Ron write me a prescription for Viagra? No questions asked?



toggletoggle post by largefreakatzero at Dec 19,2007 9:03am
Ron Paul = pro-life = fail. I not only support abortion, I want more abortions.

Also, I will have a hard time voting Republican after the 8 year debacle we have all lived through. Unfortunately the fucking Democrats will not come up with an electable candidate (again) and the Republicans will win.



toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Dec 19,2007 9:10am
are there really any electable candidates? they're all groomed and sifted through with a fine-tooth comb until they do the bidding of their respective parties, not necessarily what's good for the country

wooo bipartisan!



toggletoggle post by next revolution, please at Dec 19,2007 10:01am



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Dec 19,2007 10:34am
You guys are debating the merits of brown shit vs. greenish-brown shit. Hang'em all.



toggletoggle post by corpus_colostomy at Dec 19,2007 10:46am
Seriously. what makes you think the US government and or the White House will ever put someone into place that will actual make "change." Fact of the matter is that they are all bi-partisan puppets who couldn't give a shit about people like you or I. You can debate all you want, and you can cling to idea that your vote matters like the rest of the lemmings, but fact remains, your vote just doesn't matter! Ever hear of the electoral college? It's called a stacked deck. Beer me...



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Dec 19,2007 11:18am
Also:




toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Dec 19,2007 12:07pm
corpus_colostomy said:
Beer me...


and the cycle perpetuates itself



toggletoggle post by pam   at Dec 19,2007 1:45pm
largefreakatzero said:
Ron Paul = pro-life = fail. I not only support abortion, I want more abortions.

Also, I will have a hard time voting Republican after the 8 year debacle we have all lived through. Unfortunately the fucking Democrats will not come up with an electable candidate (again) and the Republicans will win.


No shit. Welcome to President Guilianni's America.




toggletoggle post by CNV at Dec 19,2007 1:56pm
largefreakatzero said:
Ron Paul = pro-life = fail. I not only support abortion, I want more abortions.

Also, I will have a hard time voting Republican after the 8 year debacle we have all lived through. Unfortunately the fucking Democrats will not come up with an electable candidate (again) and the Republicans will win.


He might say he is pro life to appease some people but he leaves it up to the state decide if they want abortion legal or not...

I too am all for abortion and the sterilization of massachusetts...



toggletoggle post by CNV at Dec 19,2007 2:09pm
SacreligionNLI said:
to CNV and Y ddraig goch:

it's funny how you say you have so many problems with israel, seeing as how they wouldn't be a country if it weren't for america post-WW2. do you think it's israel to blame or america's will under the guise of israel? we used the formation of that country to gain a stronger presence in the middle east, and now we're doing the same by reforming the iraqi government and may very well be doing the same to iran.

racism


I have a big chapter from a book called Apocalypse Culture I need to type out for you in regards to why Israel has gotten so much fucking money over the years... Christianity is those sheisty cocksuckers greatest asset ( well that and the nazis )...

We are not reforming the Iraqi government, we are making someone's bank account a lot bigger.

Do you have any idea how much money certain corporations are profiting off this war under the guise of liberating the Iragi people... Did you watch that video Ygrail posted? Did that family look liberated to you?
Hahaha

Do you have any idea how much money under the guise of weapons of mass destruction or they hate our freedom and want to kill us or any of the other bullshit lines that worthless piece of shit Bush comes up with?






toggletoggle post by Y_Ddraig_Goch  at Dec 19,2007 2:14pm
SacreligionNLI said:
to CNV and Y ddraig goch:

it's funny how you say you have so many problems with israel, seeing as how they wouldn't be a country if it weren't for america post-WW2. do you think it's israel to blame or america's will under the guise of israel? we used the formation of that country to gain a stronger presence in the middle east, and now we're doing the same by reforming the iraqi government and may very well be doing the same to iran.

racism


News flash, it was England who gave palestine to the jews.

England promised palestine to three different countries, the french (as a colony), the people living there (so they could break off from the ottomon empire), and then the jews (to get rid of them and shut them up)

And I think you have it backwards Israel is Israel's will under the guise of America.

America does things for Israel because she's pretty much run by jews in a lot of departments. And she is most definitely not a foothold for the US in the middle east. That's Iraq's job. Israel, if it had the balls, would take over all of it's neighbors, this would upset America greatly. In fact the only reason Israel hasn't invaded their neighbors permanently is due to the fact America would go to war with her. All that oil could be ours, we wouldn't any country with a half decent army controlling that much oil.



toggletoggle post by ZJD   at Dec 19,2007 3:42pm edited Dec 19,2007 3:42pm
CNV - I know you would probably disagree with everything I have against Ron Paul and most of my political views in general, but I couldn't vote for a guy that continually says stuff I find fucking ridiculous. I could never vote for a guy that says people with AIDS are victims of their own lifestyles.

Debunk that whole article if you want, I didn't write it. One thing I wanted say though, is that being against Israeli jews, who in your opinion may be racist in general, is completely irrelevant when it comes to anyone elses racism, including Ron Paul's.



toggletoggle post by CNV at Dec 19,2007 3:56pm
ZJD said:
CNV - I know you would probably disagree with everything I have against Ron Paul and most of my political views in general, but I couldn't vote for a guy that continually says stuff I find fucking ridiculous. I could never vote for a guy that says people with AIDS are victims of their own lifestyles.

Debunk that whole article if you want, I didn't write it. One thing I wanted say though, is that being against Israeli jews, who in your opinion may be racist in general, is completely irrelevant when it comes to anyone elses racism, including Ron Paul's.


Well ZJD, your entitled to your opinion ... People that are "victims" of aids? Well chances are they could have prevented it... Oh fucking well, no use crying over spilled milk.

and the Israeli's racism is totally relevent because it affects Gentiles in america that work hard and then pay their taxes to a criminal racket... I am gentile, will always be gentile, and will always be a thorn in the children of abraham's side... I am the beast in the field according to them and now all the other beasts in the field need to get together and wipe the arrogant grin off their rat fink faces...

Gentiles uber jews

Ron Paul 08



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at Dec 19,2007 4:16pm
CNV said:

and Africa?! Well if your gonna be a liberal cry baby, how bout helping the Americans first that are starving... America first baby, America first


i don't agree with everything you say on this board, but i at least back you up on this. we have homeless americans who are starving, orphaned american babies who need good families, yet there are more americans who care about the welfare of the starving people and orphaned children of other countries, partly because hollywood bigshots like angelina jolie turn their home into a UN daycare. i'm all for helping people, but we need to take care of our own first. if you had a sick and/or starving child, who would you help first, your kid or the sick, starving kid down the street? you clean up your own backyard first, then turn your attention elsewhere after the job is done. if i was ever looking to adopt a kid, i'd damn sure adopt an american kid over some kid elsewhere. yeah, it sucks that there are people all over the world in need, but people need to be responsible for their own messes before they clean up someone else's.



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Dec 19,2007 4:34pm
See, the problem with messing with ze Jews is that they have golems.




toggletoggle post by ZJD   at Dec 19,2007 5:02pm
CNV said:
ZJD said:
CNV - I know you would probably disagree with everything I have against Ron Paul and most of my political views in general, but I couldn't vote for a guy that continually says stuff I find fucking ridiculous. I could never vote for a guy that says people with AIDS are victims of their own lifestyles.

Debunk that whole article if you want, I didn't write it. One thing I wanted say though, is that being against Israeli jews, who in your opinion may be racist in general, is completely irrelevant when it comes to anyone elses racism, including Ron Paul's.


Well ZJD, your entitled to your opinion ... People that are "victims" of aids? Well chances are they could have prevented it... Oh fucking well, no use crying over spilled milk.

and the Israeli's racism is totally relevent because it affects Gentiles in america that work hard and then pay their taxes to a criminal racket... I am gentile, will always be gentile, and will always be a thorn in the children of abraham's side... I am the beast in the field according to them and now all the other beasts in the field need to get together and wipe the arrogant grin off their rat fink faces...

Gentiles uber jews

Ron Paul 08


I didn't say the alleged racism of Israelis was irrelevant, I said it was irrelevant to whether or not someone else's racism counts, and Ron Paul was obviously not saying, "People with AIDS should have thought first and wrapped it up," he is clearly saying "Gays deserve AIDS. Don't be gay." If you think gays deserve AIDS then whatever, but don't just blow off the fucked up stuff your hero says because you know it makes him sound like a jackass.




toggletoggle post by pam   at Dec 19,2007 5:58pm
Most of the AIDS in Africa is propelled by rape and infidelity by men, who are dominant in almost every culture there. Women there mutilate their daughter's bodies so that men won't sleep with them, so they have a chance to live past 30. You're a fucking moron if you think sex operates in Africa or other fucked up countries the way it does in this one where most cases come out of being irresponsible and stupid.

Obviously we should take care of our own, but the same people screaming about "America first" are the same people that turn a blind eye when their shitheel conservative party cuts social welfare, taxes on the rich, school breakfast programs, WIC, community college funding, and veteran benefits...all things that help bring people out of poverty. So stop pretending you give a fuck that people are starving in this country to serve your nationalistic arguments...you don't.



toggletoggle post by Lamp  at Dec 19,2007 6:02pm
Fuck countries!



toggletoggle post by RichHorror  at Dec 19,2007 6:02pm
BBQ Steak Tips for president.



toggletoggle post by ZJD   at Dec 19,2007 6:04pm
Lamp said:
Fuck countries!


Does fuck countries mean fuck nationalism and the idea that helping the world out should for some reason come second to helping out your own region?



toggletoggle post by Lamp  at Dec 19,2007 6:06pm
Yes.



toggletoggle post by ZJD   at Dec 19,2007 6:07pm
Word up.



toggletoggle post by pam   at Dec 19,2007 6:07pm
This country will never help out it's own because it's run by rich people that don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves. We only help out other countries when they have something we want. Welcome to reality.



toggletoggle post by ZJD   at Dec 19,2007 6:09pm
pam said:
This country will never help out it's own because it's run by rich people that don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves. We only help out other countries when they have something we want. Welcome to reality.



It's when threads go in directions like this that I want to start spewing green anarchist shit everywhere and then I don't because I will be completely alone.

PS - This means I agree



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Dec 19,2007 6:42pm
vote with a bullet



toggletoggle post by RichHorror  at Dec 19,2007 6:43pm
RichHorror said:
BBQ Steak Tips for president.





toggletoggle post by CNV at Dec 19,2007 6:48pm
pam said:
Most of the AIDS in Africa is propelled by rape and infidelity by men, who are dominant in almost every culture there. Women there mutilate their daughter's bodies so that men won't sleep with them, so they have a chance to live past 30. You're a fucking moron if you think sex operates in Africa or other fucked up countries the way it does in this one where most cases come out of being irresponsible and stupid.

Obviously we should take care of our own, but the same people screaming about "America first" are the same people that turn a blind eye when their shitheel conservative party cuts social welfare, taxes on the rich, school breakfast programs, WIC, community college funding, and veteran benefits...all things that help bring people out of poverty. So stop pretending you give a fuck that people are starving in this country to serve your nationalistic arguments...you don't.


You need to stop pretending you know where I stand on every issue... I am all for veteran benefits, taxes on the rich, and school breakfast (haha)...

Now instead of dumping that money into Israel, dump it into america... That's all I am saying you fuckin communist cry babies.

Get a grip and understand that the world will never hold hands... There is no such thing as egalitarianism and that life is a darwinist struggle for survival and in that struggle America should be number one... Die




toggletoggle post by Lamp  at Dec 19,2007 6:48pm
RichHorror said:
I have no idea what anyone's talking about in this thread, so I'll just say something random and hope it makes people laugh.



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Dec 19,2007 6:51pm
Actually, I think he legitimately wants BBQ Steak Tips to have ultimate power in this country. But, dont they already?



toggletoggle post by RichHorror  at Dec 19,2007 6:54pm
I do. Stay angry, Providence Funny Walk.



toggletoggle post by Greg D at Dec 19,2007 7:29pm
Vote for Rich Horror. Vote none of the above party.




toggletoggle post by CNV at Dec 19,2007 7:31pm



toggletoggle post by RichHorror  at Dec 19,2007 7:32pm
Incidentally, Paul and Obama are the only candidates I like. Because of this they'll already be out of the running by the time comes to cast the deciding vote.



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Dec 19,2007 7:37pm
Y_Ddraig_Goch said:
CNV is right with the whole Israel thing, but guess what, we've been brainwashed into thinking anyone who speaks out about the poor jews is a racist.

"6" million jews were killed in ww2....


10 million christians were killed by Stalin (a jew) in russia right after...


but which one is more documented and exploited.



yeah. stalin's rule, five year plans, russian history, gulags, has never been mentioned in a european history class, ever. how dare they.



toggletoggle post by yummy at Dec 19,2007 7:48pm
If we as a country weren't so busy competing we wouldn't have to worry about being #1. We are 1st place in some poor areas of merit.

Go Sox! Go Pats! Go Celtics! Yay! We're #1!




toggletoggle post by sxealex   at Dec 19,2007 7:49pm
honestly it would be awesome if he was the republican candidate. I don't care whether I agree with everything he says or not... the fact that he wants minimum govt involvement in most everything is great for a change. And hopefully he would not push his anti abortion beliefs. If he becomes the Rep candidate I will have a lot less stress on my brow.



toggletoggle post by sxealex   at Dec 19,2007 7:51pm
PS this what a Republican's ideals USED to be before it became a 4 letter word 30-40 years ago. They were not always right wing.



toggletoggle post by Hoser at Dec 19,2007 8:13pm edited Dec 19,2007 8:15pm
Amen. I have researched all of the candidates up and down. Democratically I like Obama.....but I hate the Democrats.

Rupublicanally (don't think that's even a word) I LOVE Ron Paul.

I will certainly cast my vote to Ron Paul.

It's easy to see why he is anti-abortion....he was an OBGYN for most of his life....give the guy a break...he loves babies...nothing wrong with that.

As far as his record...undisputable. He is Constitutionally honest.

Anyone that says that the Constitution is "how someone reads it" is a fucking idiot. It was written in plain English.

He is by far the best American for the job. I believe that he will bring government back to where it was meant to be.....if that means Federalists and Whigs, then so be it.

I believe that he is a good family man, and a man that will certaily address the issue of SHITTY to NO healthcare in this country. I thouroughly believe that he is ALL for kids.....BUT, I do believe that he will crack down on illeagals in this country as well as welfare sucking leeches.

This man has got it going on....he is what we ALL need.

Out of Iraq...BAM! Done.

Out of Isreal's ass...BAM! Done.

Out of NATO...BAM! Done.

Out of welfare addicts...BAM! Done.


Why in the fuck would you NOT vote for him?? If abortion is top on your list them you have your priorities WAYYYYYY fucked up. That's why we have a Supreme Court....let them do their jobs.

Ron Paul 2008...ALL THE WAY.

By the way...his stance on the 2nd Amendment...AWESOME...It was written in plain English and shall be deciphered in plain English.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Dec 19,2007 8:18pm
Hoser said:
I will certainly cast my vote to Ron Paul.

It's easy to see why he is anti-abortion....he was an OBGYN for most of his life....give the guy a break...he loves babies...nothing wrong with that.


oops.. I was just going to post in here and saying that I would vote for him, but Im not now because of that fact. Sorry, he's not a republican. can't be when you want the government in your vagina.



toggletoggle post by Hoser at Dec 19,2007 8:18pm
I can understand why CNV is so passionet about him.....he guarantees a change.

He is the farthest thing from big Government that this country has seen. I have been talking about this guy for many months if you check past posts. I have watched this guy from the beginning.

I am as pissed off as Paul. I understand that Mass. is typically Democratic in their Presidential vote....but c'mon...look at what an idiot Ted Kennedy is.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Dec 19,2007 8:20pm
anonymous said:
yeah. stalin's rule, five year plans, russian history, gulags, has never been mentioned in a european history class, ever. how dare they.


russia is mostly in asia so why would it be in a european history class?



toggletoggle post by sxealex   at Dec 19,2007 8:24pm
all i'm saying is if abortion is the most of my worries. I think i will be ok. nothin a coat hanger cant fix.

hope he is on the ballot.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Dec 19,2007 8:29pm
I would vote for him if he had an IQ-abortion law. like if you are pregnant, he immediately gives you an IQ test. anything under 100 is an immediate abortion. anything under 95 and they pull everything else out while they are in there.



toggletoggle post by CNV at Dec 19,2007 8:33pm
Ron Paul leaves it up to the state to decide... So if ya can't get it in New Hampshire ya can always go to Maine type of deal... No biggie



toggletoggle post by sxealex   at Dec 19,2007 8:34pm
i wish i was an abortion



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Dec 19,2007 9:01pm
alex, a lot of us feel that way.


also, cnv that
1) punishes minors
2) groups of states in one region would get similar laws. it's all fine and good to use maine and nh as your example, but for peole the drive for an abortion would go to 400+ miles.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Dec 19,2007 9:04pm
He talks up following the constitution by the letter but aims to do so through an overbearing executive branch of government...


EPIC FAIL



toggletoggle post by Greg D at Dec 19,2007 9:33pm
the_reverend said:
Hoser said:
I will certainly cast my vote to Ron Paul.

It's easy to see why he is anti-abortion....he was an OBGYN for most of his life....give the guy a break...he loves babies...nothing wrong with that.


oops.. I was just going to post in here and saying that I would vote for him, but Im not now because of that fact. Sorry, he's not a republican. can't be when you want the government in your vagina.





The government in your Vagina.

Hey, there's an image.








toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Dec 19,2007 10:45pm
i'm really having trouble deciding who to vote for. i like obama but am afraid that he'll be like every other presidential hopeful and fail on the claims he's made to get public attention



toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Dec 19,2007 10:46pm
DestroyYouAlot said:
Legalize photocopying dollar bills.


isn't that pretty much what the federal reserve does?



toggletoggle post by pam   at Dec 19,2007 11:06pm edited Dec 19,2007 11:08pm
Hoser said:

Why in the fuck would you NOT vote for him?? If abortion is top on your list them you have your priorities WAYYYYYY fucked up. That's why we have a Supreme Court....let them do their jobs.


Yeah...women's rights happen to be up there on my list of priorities. Kind of comes with the vagina. I do like a lot of what Ron Paul has to say regarding foreign intervention, but I disagree that everything should be left to states. Paul wants to overturn Roe v. Wade and leave it up to the states, most of which will ban abortion and revive back-alley and home induced abortions. Overturning Roe V. Wade removed protection for victims of rape and incest. Having ANY government outlaw what women can do with THEIR bodies is the biggest violation I can think of.

And I should point out that outside of rape, I would NEVER have an abortion...I find the practice pretty awful, but I don't intend to make that decision for every woman in this country and will drop dead before I cast my (albeit meaningless and uncounted) vote for someone that will put that protection in jeopardy.

And you should know better about the Supreme Court, it's stacked with religion whack-jobs that vote their "good Christian morals". One more republican president and we're apt to end up with a Supreme Court full of God-freaks. Democrats may be sniveling cunts a lot of the time, but I know my rights are far safer under their filthy thumb than under a Jesus-freak Republicans.

Don't fool yourself, there are barely any real conservatives left, they're just bible-thumpers with law degrees.

"“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” - Sinclair Lewis




toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Dec 19,2007 11:12pm
SacreligionNLI said:
DestroyYouAlot said:
Legalize photocopying dollar bills.


isn't that pretty much what the federal reserve does?


truth




toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Dec 19,2007 11:25pm
Bill Belichik '08



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at Dec 19,2007 11:28pm
pam said:
Hoser said:
Having ANY government outlaw what women can do with THEIR bodies is the biggest violation I can think of.


i'm with you there.



toggletoggle post by sxealex   at Dec 19,2007 11:56pm
SacreligionNLI said:
DestroyYouAlot said:
Legalize photocopying dollar bills.


isn't that pretty much what the federal reserve does?


i wouldnt call it photo copying exaclty



toggletoggle post by Lamp  at Dec 19,2007 11:57pm
It doesn't matter who the next president is, there will still be franchise businesses in every town anyway.

U CAN GO 2 WAL-MART OR TARGET!!! U HAVE A CHOICE LOLOLOL!!!1!!!1!1!



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Dec 20,2007 12:24am
I don't see how one can have a social Darwinist worldview and be against Israel's power in the middle east.

Wouldn't it follow that the arabs should have realized that throwing rocks at tanks wasn't a viable battle strategy? And if they couldn't figure that puzzle out, fuck 'em.

Or going back to funding issues, the United States has been the dominant superpower for most of the past 60 or so years and thus in a social Darwinist world view has the might to do what it pleases with its money (and if you think that money belongs to you you're mistaken, the government's power entitles them to all of your earnings in this scenario).



toggletoggle post by CNV at Dec 20,2007 12:36am
Cause and effect... You can be a social darwinist and still understand (and put to good use) the fundamentals of balance in government.



toggletoggle post by y_ddraig_goch  at Dec 20,2007 3:01am
BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:
I don't see how one can have a social Darwinist worldview and be against Israel's power in the middle east.

Wouldn't it follow that the arabs should have realized that throwing rocks at tanks wasn't a viable battle strategy? And if they couldn't figure that puzzle out, fuck 'em.
.


quite possibly the most ignorant thing I've heard today.


they throw rocks because they are dirt fucking poor from living in a
"refugee" camp, aka concentration camp. They throw rocks because that's all there is.

want to know where those fucking rocks come from?

it's the pieces of their bulldozed fucking houses, because the jews come in and bulldoze their houses so they can build condos for their people and force the arabs out into the streets.

I'm sorry if I'm sounding like a cunt, but research your shit first.


If some country took over america and I had no weapons I'd be throwing rocks and anything around too




toggletoggle post by y_ddraig_goch  at Dec 20,2007 3:02am
pam said:
This country will never help out it's own because it's run by rich people that don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves. We only help out other countries when they have something we want. Welcome to reality.



Never said better.

But reality can be changed, we the people can have revolutions to change things.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Dec 20,2007 10:11am
y_ddraig_goch said:
BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:
I don't see how one can have a social Darwinist worldview and be against Israel's power in the middle east.

Wouldn't it follow that the arabs should have realized that throwing rocks at tanks wasn't a viable battle strategy? And if they couldn't figure that puzzle out, fuck 'em.
.


quite possibly the most ignorant thing I've heard today.


they throw rocks because they are dirt fucking poor from living in a
"refugee" camp, aka concentration camp. They throw rocks because that's all there is.

want to know where those fucking rocks come from?

it's the pieces of their bulldozed fucking houses, because the jews come in and bulldoze their houses so they can build condos for their people and force the arabs out into the streets.

I'm sorry if I'm sounding like a cunt, but research your shit first.


If some country took over america and I had no weapons I'd be throwing rocks and anything around too



I'm aware of why Palestinians are in refugee camps, my post was simply playing devils advocate in questioning why a social Darwinist would have a problem with Israel's treatment of its Palestinian population.

But honestly, it's incredibly ignorant to place all the blame on jews in this situation. Yes, Israel treats the Palestinians like shit, tramples all over their rights and locks them up in ghettos just like the Nazis did to them. But at the same time none of the surrounding Arab states are any better, denying their Palestinian refugee populations the right to enter society and access social services such as health care and education.

In short, it sucks to be Palestinian because on one side you've got an oppressor who explicitly denies your freedom and locks you up in a camp, and on the other you've got an oppressor who puts you in the same camp but makes nice and uses you for political gain whenever their own plebes get testy.



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Dec 20,2007 11:14am
BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:
He talks up following the constitution by the letter but aims to do so through an overbearing executive branch of government...


EPIC FAIL


Hahahaha...

SacreligionNLI said:
DestroyYouAlot said:
Legalize photocopying dollar bills.


isn't that pretty much what the federal reserve does?


KA-ZING! (Yes, BTW. Yes, they do.)



toggletoggle post by pam   at Dec 20,2007 3:11pm
y_ddraig_goch said:
pam said:
This country will never help out it's own because it's run by rich people that don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves. We only help out other countries when they have something we want. Welcome to reality.



Never said better.

But reality can be changed, we the people can have revolutions to change things.


I fucking hope so.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Dec 20,2007 6:25pm
dreadkill said:
i haven't done a lot of research, but how is he going to back up his claim to cut deficit spending AND get rid of income tax?


Without all the democrats' social welfare programs and the republicans' wars, we should be doing just fine with corporate taxes.



toggletoggle post by CNV at Dec 23,2007 3:58pm
Join the Ron Paul Revolution !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



toggletoggle post by largedumbass at Nov 21,2012 9:42am
largefreakatzero said[orig][quote]
Unfortunately the fucking Democrats will not come up with an electable candidate (again) and the Republicans will win.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Nov 21,2012 10:18am
ahahahaha



toggletoggle post by Boozegood at Nov 21,2012 11:15am
Combine Ron Paul and Reagan in a testube and make the spawn have an aggressive foreign policy and than vote for it in 2016.



toggletoggle post by RON REAGAN PAUL at Nov 21,2012 12:02pm
I WILL RAISE THE DEFICIT AGAIN, REINSTATE DADT, AND GET ALZHEIMER'S TWICE AGAIN. VOTE REAGANPAULOMICS 2116



toggletoggle post by Gary johnson at Dec 30,2013 1:54pm
The Ron Paul revolution. Barely a popcorn fart in the bowels of history.



toggletoggle post by largefreakatzero at Dec 30,2013 4:57pm
the_reverend said[orig][quote]
ahahahaha


Though that trolling was dated, you can both blow me. If only my prediction was true...oh wait, it wouldn't matter, it would just be a different cunt ruining the country.



toggletoggle post by conservationist  at Dec 31,2013 12:14pm
Left and Right agree:

Government sucks ass.

Anarchy is the best.




toggletoggle post by lol at Jan 2,2014 11:55am
Stalin wasn't a jew



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