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returntothepit >> discuss >> recommendations(Emperor) by sean on Nov 27,2007 5:58pm
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toggletoggle post by sean  at Nov 27,2007 5:58pm
Alright, so I'm in love with Emperor at the moment. I'd like some suggestions of other bands that do something similar. Zyklon and Insahn are for me pretty close. I'm not looking for a list of symphonic black metal bands, but rather acts that have the mastery of harmony that emperor has (ie. constant key changes, chromatic coloration, dark melody, epic song structure, dynamics). I'd call it progressive black metal. Anyone other bands out there as talented composers?

Just to qualify for everyone:
I like 90s Ulver
Darkthrone, Mayhem, and 1349 are fine, but can be boring
I'm not fond of Satyricon, Arcturs, Immortal or anything grim
If the whole song is the same beat, you lost me zzzzzzzzzz



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Nov 27,2007 6:03pm
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!!!



toggletoggle post by ConquerTheBaphomet  at Nov 27,2007 6:04pm
If you don't like Immortal, you're wasting your time here.



toggletoggle post by Arist  at Nov 27,2007 6:08pm edited Nov 27,2007 6:08pm
Embraced, Windir

you probably already know Dissection and hollenthon

Can also look for Ihsahn's other band Peccatum, sounds exactly like prometheus though



toggletoggle post by thuringwethil at Nov 27,2007 6:08pm edited Nov 27,2007 6:09pm
yeah the not liking IMMORTAL part kinda surprised me, but hey.
People don't understand why I don't care for death metal or grind anymore.

Listening even within a certain genre can be pretty subjective, that's what makes you a listener.

What I like most about black metal is finding weird innovative shit in places I least expect, then I can also find something totally repetitive and linear and get the same enjoyment

how tr00 of me...
or...



toggletoggle post by thuringwethil at Nov 27,2007 6:11pm edited Nov 27,2007 6:12pm
sean said:

If the whole song is the same beat, you lost me zzzzzzzzzz


VON



toggletoggle post by sean  at Nov 27,2007 6:18pm
I should add, though I don't consider them black metal, Extol kinda does the innovative dark progressive thing to my liking.



toggletoggle post by sean  at Nov 27,2007 6:23pm
I don't hate all immortal. Sons of Northern Darkness is an awesome song, however some of their stuff like "blashyrk mighty ravebdark" just bore me.



toggletoggle post by thuringwethil at Nov 27,2007 6:32pm
actually Sons of the Northern Darkness is my least favorite album by them

this thread is getting more and more interesting. Hm...



toggletoggle post by thuringwethil at Nov 27,2007 6:33pm
anyhoo I like Leviathan and Judas Iscariot the most (the latter can be wayyyyyy repetitive, great fucking riffs though)



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Nov 27,2007 6:57pm
As Emperor became more "progressive" my interest in listening to them went to shit. I'm sure if you made a graph you'd see my interest drop sharply below the x-axis somewhere around that fruity Icaros song.



toggletoggle post by Troll at Nov 27,2007 6:59pm
Emperor ...........*yawns*



toggletoggle post by Troll at Nov 27,2007 7:02pm
In the nightside e-clit-lips



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Nov 27,2007 7:12pm
Emperor's style is one of those things that many bands emulate, and few can pull off. Good luck.

As far as local stuff, Abaroth was pretty damn Emper-ific, IMHO.



toggletoggle post by Goatcatalyst   at Nov 27,2007 7:55pm
Check out Deathspell Omega. start with "si monumentum requires.. circumspice". and WORSHIP VON!!!



toggletoggle post by aril at Nov 27,2007 10:33pm
Check out "Kvist"

Abaroth? Emper-ific? Sheah..



toggletoggle post by Northern Frost at Nov 27,2007 10:59pm
Enslaved is probably your best bet.

Everyone knows that though...



toggletoggle post by Goatcatalyst   at Nov 27,2007 11:02pm
Kvist is superduper but if you don't worship Bathory, you're a spermburping papist.



toggletoggle post by sean  at Nov 27,2007 11:40pm
wow. enslaved is actually pretty ok. With a more imaginative drummer they could be awesome. I don't know how I never managed to check them out. I think my brain went, oh yeah, I've know entombed - campy wolverine blues



toggletoggle post by aril at Nov 28,2007 12:19am
I hope you know that Trym drummed on Frost......................................



toggletoggle post by sean  at Nov 28,2007 12:30am
Cool. Given what's posted on the grimmest and wintriest of all web domains, myspace, I like enslaved, kvist, Deathspell Omega, Peccatum, Hollenthon, and Windir (on the mountain of goats!). I found Embraced to be great, I'm gonna have to pick up Amorous Anathema. Dissection is also great, as they are not Dismember, more of my Entombed syndrome. haha

However, I had mixed feelings about Bathory, Abaroth, Judas Iscariot, and Leviathan, who's name I wish wasn't claimed yet.

Thanks to everyone who made a suggestion. Though none of these bands is Emperor, I've got a bunch of new albums to dl "evaulation copies" of. Thanks.



toggletoggle post by Ryan_M at Nov 28,2007 12:32am
I'd reccomend Burzum, but you're not going to find any "imaginative drumming" or any wacky mind-blowing technical shit in it....very dark, very atmospheric, great songwriting, but simplicity and droning repetition are crucial aspects of Burzum's music.



toggletoggle post by sean  at Nov 28,2007 12:35am
aril - Sorry, yeah the drumming on Frost is just fine. I was referring to the drumming on Ruun and Isa. Nothing wrong with it - just something more imaginative would be nice.



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Nov 28,2007 12:35am
i definitely vote Windir



toggletoggle post by Ryan_M at Nov 28,2007 12:43am
sean said:
I'm not fond of Satyricon, Arcturs, Immortal or anything grim


Arcturus is hardly something I would call "grim". If you're looking for progressive black metal, Arcturus should be a top priority on your "Bands to check out" list! Particularly the "Aspera Hiems Symphona" album.....the "Constellation" e.p. and the "My Angel" e.p. are great as well (look on ebay, there exists a 2-disc CD set with all three releases on it!)



toggletoggle post by sean  at Nov 28,2007 1:30am
Ryan_M said:
Arcturus is hardly something I would call "grim". If you're looking for progressive black metal, Arcturus should be a top priority on your "Bands to check out" list! Particularly the "Aspera Hiems Symphona" album.....the "Constellation" e.p. and the "My Angel" e.p. are great as well (look on ebay, there exists a 2-disc CD set with all three releases on it!)


I didn't call Arcturus grim. I said I didn't really like them. Grim black metal is also something that's not my fancy.

I can appreciate when ppl say Arcturus is progressive black metal, because they do make an honest effort to innovate the genre, but I feel they haven't succeeded in making anything great, just different. Some of their stuff is fine, but often I feel like I'm listening to the Barnum and Bailey meets Cirqu d'solei soundtrack.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Nov 28,2007 1:48am
Diapsiquir



toggletoggle post by Aegathis  at Nov 28,2007 2:08am edited Nov 28,2007 2:10am

speaking of soundtracks, check out diabolical masquerade. Id also recommend the Covenant album Nexus Polaris and the first Dragonlord album. I think they fit your descriptions, minus the weird time changes.



toggletoggle post by Goatcatalyst   at Nov 28,2007 2:10am
For that "Nightside" atmosphere, Drudkh really does it for me - especially the Autumn Aurora album. And I can't fucking get enough Old Wainds, Averse Sefira, Arkhon Infaustus, Blut Aus Nord, Nightbringer and Kroda - not that any of those sound much like Emperor but they definitely distinguish themselves from the herd. And if you're looking for something that will rip your fucking face off, check out Infernal War, Impiety or Antaeus' album "Cut Your Flesh and Worship Satan". And then there's always the Thorns Trondertun tape... but I ain't one to gossip.



toggletoggle post by Goatcatalyst   at Nov 28,2007 2:14am
And Lurker of Chalice is an absolute MUST if you enjoy the Devilweed.



toggletoggle post by NIGGER  at Nov 28,2007 7:47am
STOP FAKING IT
BLACK METAL IS DEAD
IT DOESN'T GET BETTER THAN EMPEROR
TRY SOME PROGRESSIVE DEATH METAL
ATHEIST, YOU WANT ATHEIST

IF MIKE SMITH LIKES THEM, YOU CAN TOO

BLACK POWER!



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Nov 28,2007 10:40am
sean said:
I didn't call Arcturus grim. I said I didn't really like them. Grim black metal is also something that's not my fancy.

I can appreciate when ppl say Arcturus is progressive black metal, because they do make an honest effort to innovate the genre, but I feel they haven't succeeded in making anything great, just different. Some of their stuff is fine, but often I feel like I'm listening to the Barnum and Bailey meets Cirqu d'solei soundtrack.


Just out of curiosity, which Arcturus have you checked out? The early stuff is a far cry from their later work; I like both eras, but you may want to give them a second listen.

Aegathis said:

speaking of soundtracks, check out diabolical masquerade. Id also recommend the Covenant album Nexus Polaris and the first Dragonlord album. I think they fit your descriptions, minus the weird time changes.


Dragonlord is a good call; not everyone's cup of tea, but from what you've already stated that you liked, this may be a score.

Goatcatalyst said:
For that "Nightside" atmosphere, Drudkh really does it for me - especially the Autumn Aurora album.


I was gonna suggest Drudkh, but I figured they'd be a bit too droney/hypnotic for his tastes. But check it out, anyway; they've definitely got the harmonic complexity it sounds like you're looking for. Plus they rule wicked hahd, dood.




toggletoggle post by Yeti at Nov 28,2007 10:46am
Blut Aus Nord has an incredible vibe. so you don't like Satyricon? i can undestand not liking the garbage on Now, Diabolical and Volcano, but the atmosphere on The Shadowthrone and Dark Medieval Times is untouchable. Nemesis Divina is one of the greatest works ever recorded, but it doesn't have the same vibe as the aforementioned. you say you are not a fan of anything grim, but then say Darkthrone is ok. it doesn't get much grimmer than Under A Funeral Moon. you should give it another shot. definitely check out Storm of the Light's Bane by Dissection, that has a very similar vibe to In the Nightside Eclipse.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Nov 28,2007 10:47am
oh yeah and Dragonlord is badass, Rapture is definitely the best work, but Black Wings of Destiny is awesome too.



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Nov 28,2007 11:01am
sean said:
Cool. Given what's posted on the grimmest and wintriest of all web domains, myspace, I like enslaved, kvist, Deathspell Omega, Peccatum, Hollenthon, and Windir (on the mountain of goats!).


GRIM AND IMPALED MYSPACE ACCOUNT




toggletoggle post by Brandon...  at Nov 28,2007 12:54pm
sean said:
Ryan_M said:
Arcturus is hardly something I would call "grim". If you're looking for progressive black metal, Arcturus should be a top priority on your "Bands to check out" list! Particularly the "Aspera Hiems Symphona" album.....the "Constellation" e.p. and the "My Angel" e.p. are great as well (look on ebay, there exists a 2-disc CD set with all three releases on it!)


I didn't call Arcturus grim. I said I didn't really like them. Grim black metal is also something that's not my fancy.

I can appreciate when ppl say Arcturus is progressive black metal, because they do make an honest effort to innovate the genre, but I feel they haven't succeeded in making anything great, just different. Some of their stuff is fine, but often I feel like I'm listening to the Barnum and Bailey meets Cirqu d'solei soundtrack.



I think arcturus its a pretty cool band. It just takes some time to get used to. It took me about a 3 listens to like them. The first listen was about a year before the last 2. I definately dig it. Its a good band to get stoned and listen to. That and dredg. Not sure if anyone likes them or not.



toggletoggle post by aril at Nov 28,2007 1:20pm
Honestly man, how could you be intrigued by Embraced when you're looking for a band that sounds somewhat similar to Emperor? Embraced is Swedish Melodic Death with 2 keyboard players. I'm not saying I don't like them but there is absolutely no similarity between those bands other than the "proggish" parts. The moods are completely different.
Check out the Portuguese band "Sirius" if you like Emperor Anthems and beyond.
I personally don't dig it too much but it's very similar at parts and I think (can't remember) Samoth had something to do with the production.



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Nov 4,2009 10:28am
Prometheus: The Discipline of Fire and Demise

One of my favorite bands....I just don't know about this album. This is the first time I've sat down and listened to it. Track 2 - The riffs alone are sick, but it's not squeezing my balls like Anthems does. Starting to feel disappointment creeping in...



toggletoggle post by aril at Nov 4,2009 10:31am
Good album, but to me it's not the emporah I knew and loved



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Nov 4,2009 10:37am
That song "Empty" rocks. But this doesn't feel like Emperor, just a very competent imitation. I think I knew this and that's why I've been avoiding it. This is decent so far, but IX Equilibrium and all before cannot be touched.

It reminds me more of Ihsahn's solo stuff which is good but missing the energy and composition that made Emperor great.



toggletoggle post by aril at Nov 4,2009 10:49am
Tongue of fire ftw



toggletoggle post by sean  at Nov 4,2009 11:21am
aril said[orig][quote]
Tongue of fire ftw

Agreed!



toggletoggle post by Chthonicus at Nov 4,2009 11:25am
Might be a little late, but Setherial's Nord captured a similar feeling that's comparable to early Emperor.



toggletoggle post by aril at Nov 4,2009 11:27am
^



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Nov 4,2009 11:52am
I have Setherial's Death Triumphant, good but extremely typical fast Norway BM.

Whatever, I've been listening to In The Woods... lately and that's about all I need.



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