blankblank I got a copy of the new rolling stone magazine in the mail today. inside it was an article covering the death of a young man( who also happened to be a veteran of the Iraq war like i am) named James Morrison and the violent activities of the Friends Stand United gang or FSU and their "unofficial" leader Elgin Nathan James. I have been around the scene long enough, and i think we have all seen fights and been super pissed when a show gets shut down by idiots like FSU. Retards like this who cause trouble ruin it for everyone, big dumb morons who have nothing better to do. They prey on innocent people and hurt people for no reason at all. They are bullies. I hope "old school" Alex Franklin rots in jail where he belongs forever, and as far as Elgin James, this story pissed me off so much i just might be taking a trip out to california to try and find this jerk, then we'll see how tough he is. I hope a few FSU members read this. I am not some pussy on hear whining, oh no, i plan on taking action to eradicate bitches like FSU who ruin shows. It's time people get together and make THEM be afraid. It's time for them to get their ass kicked bad. It's time for some of their mothers to cry about the fate that has befallen their wild sons. So please pass the word, i WANT this to get around. I am not making any threats because that would get me in trouble, i am just saying that its time a few good people start showing up at certain events, hang around in the backround, and if things get out of hand, we put them BACK IN HAND, WITH AN IRON FIST. I am not against moshing and i understand fights happen at shows, but these FSU guys are the ones we all hate, the ones who start shit for NO reason at all except probably because they have small dicks or they are poor. I am gonna post this on every hardcore message board i can find. I dare members of FSU to wear their shirts to shows, this is gonna be an organized effort to wipe them out and make shows safe and fun again. As far as elgin james, he should feel some of the pain he has caused others, he is a piece of shit who needs to be taught a lesson. We'll see how tough he is against a U.S. Army combat veteran who studies brazilian ju jitsu. I plan on " Respectfully Retiring" all 387 members soon, this has gone on long enough. As far as joining the cause, i cant afford to recruit anyone i dont know, so start up your own groups. I got plenty of friends and connections through the army and i am quite confident the groups i will put together will easily outnumber the FSU hooligans and i promise you we are much tougher than you. But dont take my word for it, please. Wear your shirts, remember, friends dont let friends fistfight alone. I want your friends to help you. Little do you realize you are already fighting an uphill battle, against a foe with tenacity and anger magnitudes above your own. be warned, random acts of careless and senseless violence at shows is coming to an end, BY ANY MEANS NECCESARY. And please everyone, pick up the new rolling stone magazine and read the article. To defeat your enemy your must know them, infiltrate them, get into their head, keep them closer than friends and family. And i have the element of surprise... T-minus 300 days and counting

[ Good kids take heed, this really isnt a joke, if you have a nice girlfriend, if you have good parents, if you enjoy your life, like the way your face looks etc, stop affiliating yourself with FSU immediately. I would hate to see good kids with bright futures get caught up in this just because they hang out with the wrong people. I am going to turn the tables, the sense of security they have by sticking together is going to be erased, the hunter is going to become the hunted. They will soon know the fear they have imposed on others as they will soon be in dire panic]

I was hoping the article would be a lot better than that. that is until chris said something like "you know what kind of article it's going to be" Sort of took the polish off the fact that I have pictures in this magazine in conjunction with this article.

I have been to countless "fsu" shows and they have been some of the best concerts I have ever been to. I have very very rarely seen anything "bad" going down. Usually, it's a room full of goils and guys enjoying some good old fashion hahdcore music.

I was hoping to get to the bottom of this and hear that you got in one little fight and your mom got scared, and that you were moving in with your auntie and uncle in Bel Aire.

i know people who are in with all the fsu guys. while i don't support some of the shit they stand for and do, aaron you are right that most of them they are peaceful and just hang out. i pounded a few beers with jimmy knuckles once.

who cares if he is a war veteran?

he shouldnt of signed up.

the_reverend said:

Do you go to the same shows I do? Cuz anytime a local hardcore venue turns out more then 50 kids, there is ALWAYS at least one fight.

And it is NEVER 1 on 1.


This of course has nothign to do with FSU, 90% of the time fights at shows are by 16 year olds who just heard their first madball song and try and start fights.

i've never seen any MELLOW hard core shows. I used to play in a hard core band....saw alot of dumb shit....anyone remember 121 in brockton?

This "article" made me suicidal. Can I get a blowjob from yer moms?

nicc: some stupid.little scuffle wasn't what I was talking about.

fsu gets blamed for everything. mostly cause of the bbd video.

what did this article say?

timjohnny said:

It's Jimmy Nipples; don't let him tell you any different.

anyone look on the dot com? I haven't.

not there

Aside from the fact that most of the violence that has happened over the past few years to get FSU this kind of attention has been commited by the newer chapters in other states. In comparison, Boston has been fairly in control.

agreed. usually when you hear about them in the news, out-of-towners are around. the boston guys are awesome dudes who love hardcore shows and put on some of the best shows I've ever been to.

I would however reallly love to learn ju jitzu. hiyah!

Old school or it's not hardcore, it's just bad metal.

sorry rev, i to have been to countless fsu shows, i've also been to countless pre-fsu hardcore punk metal whatever shows and have seen first hand the damage they have done to individuals and the boston scene. what a fucking joke these mongoloids are. repressed closeted homos every one. has anyone on this board ever seen one of these guys ever go at someone face to face that looked like they could handle themselves? never. 5 on 1? always. hardcore? no fucking way. you know whats hardcore? get a fucking job. get a fucking education. i bet fsu is stocked with college grads. right? that suburban middle class upbringing really put a beating on you huh? mommy didn't cuddle you? fucking cry babies. now your sucking jock core cock. hows it taste knowing every intelligent human surrounding you is looking down on you for the weak reprehensible person that you are? your scene is dead. you are prey. go die.

Lamp said:

School everyone about old school hardcore. I want to see the arguments.

All I gotta say is that there's plenty of bands/labels playing older styles of hardcore that have nothing to do with jocks or unity or any of that shit, just a bunch of dudes having fun and playing in your basement.

I think powerviolence has gotten to the point too where it has practically become its own genre...but that may just be due to the fact that this is my forte.

Stop supporting jocks and their bullshit attitudes. Punk never died. It's just not as marketable as what these fucking bastards have turned an awesome genre of music into.

post this on bridge9..lets see what the guys in fsu has to say about this idiot thinking he's gonna save a scene & put an end to them. this guys a fucken moron....yeah fsu has had their share of negative feedback but they're also alot of good things they do for their friends as well as the hardcore scene. if you know any of these guys they are stand up guys & will do anything for their friends just as anyone else would. STOP FUCKEN COMPLAINING!!!!

they do in fact like kittens. they hug kittens well, after they punch them. most of the original boston crew are slowly slipping towards 40 and have wifey/kiddies.

haha, people are still crying about FSU? Are people still into Korn and Marylin Manson too?

Oh, nevermind.

The Boston crew did good things when they started years ago by pushing the hardcore scene back into strength it haden't seen since the early-mid 80's and kicking the Nazis out.
I remember hearing people complain about them when I was younger. Yes, the show would be violent, as they always were. But that was expected. I never had a problem and even talked with a few guys before and they were alright.
Over the past few years, after FSU became a multistate, multichapter crew with tons of younger new members and gained connection to the Outlaws biker gang, it has gained a lot of attention and has been involved in a LOT of violent shit where people have been seriously hurt, arrested and even killed. It's no joke anymore.
Still, the fact is as I said before, it's usually been the new chapters involved in this, not the original Boston guys.
I'd like to think that maybe if it had stayed within it's original confines and members, maybe things wouldn't be how they are now, but "maybe" much like "almost" only counts in horseshoes and hand granades.
Who knows.

man, I have been playing horseshoes all wrong.

also, I've had one friend who go his wrist broken by nazis at the middle east and another riend who got his wrist broken by fsu at the middle east. there is a bit more of an interesting aspect of this story when you know their relationship.

Hey chrisabomb please tell me about this bridge9, is it a forum frequented by members of FSU? Because if so i will copy my earlier post verbatim and put it there too. From the medium amount of research i have done i do understand that fsu has doen a small amount of good, scholarships etc. And please read my post thouroughly, i am not irrational nor do i go on a whiny rant. Everything i say is pretty to the point and its not biased. My bottom line is that #1 i hate when kids cant go to shows without being afraid of those big hulking guys and their "crews" i definitly know for a fact i am not the only one sick of it. When people are afraid to bump into the "wrong person" because they will get jumped by an entire crew, somethings wrong, and nobody can tell me shit like that isn't going on, i know for a fact and i have seen it first hand. The group beatings are what disgust me. #2 My other bottom line is that i feel as though i can do something about it. I am gonna be the one to stand up and make a difference, just like FSU did back in the 80's against the Nazi's. If anyone with half a brain really looks into this whole thing it's not that hard to comprehend where i come from and why. its pretty obvious. I am not some crazy right wing asshole with an axe to grind against every member of FSU. But lord help them if i am there when they pull their group beating bullshit, i promise you it will be a fateful day few of them will forget. The point is everyone has a right to go to a show and feel safe, nobody should have to worry and being beaten severly( and i'm not talking about a punch or two in the face these take it way overboard, continously beating people when they are clearly done, its sadistic) or worse. Its time for them to realize that their actions will carry consequences, they can't go around terrorizing people with impunity. Sorry if my vocabulary is alittle too much for some of you, but i'm not some fat beast who acts tough. I actually have a degree and am fairly successful in life, unlike FSU losers who get off on being pussys and beating on those weaker than them. I just want to instill some kind of ear into them that maybe if they get out of hand, someone bigger and badder than them just might be there to kick their ass. If there is one hting i have learned in life through the scene, its that there is always someone out there bigger, badder, and stronger than you. It's like the wild west, they have no fear of repercussions , thats what i wanna change. I want them to think twice before they harm innocent people.

www.b9board.com

is that^ a passage from the bible?

"It's a wevowution!"

always remember the 5th of november

the_reverend said:

I take it you've never been to an NJ show where FSU is present

Check out www.zabbasearch.com for Elgin's address. He actually lives in Corona California, The Golden State.
He changed his phone # (555) 555-1234...

The guy is a pussy who needs others to help him fight his battles. PUSSY!

Army Dude...you sound as though you have NOT been around for long. First off, everyone who was ever involved knows your boy Elgin has been studying ju jitsu his entire life; this might not be a battle you want to start. I fully respect that you stand up for our country, huge love. But, other than that, you are talking out of line! From the way you speak about these guys, it’s obvious you DO NOT know them. I grew up with most of the boys from FSU, before there was an FSU, and I can tell you that these people are like pit bulls, look scary but are loyal and full of love. And YES, if you fuck with one of them, the hammers may come DOWN. Who says there should be rules when someone fucks with you? Some drunken asshole sucker punches you or your boy; all rules are out the window. Perhaps some of the young guys who want to prove themselves act like fools and start shit for no reason, but so do many young kids at shows - They always have. Why don't you deal with the racist skinheads, take care of them- they ruin more shows than any other group in the scene. I do find it funny that you spent so much time venting about people you don’t know. And trust when I tell you, just because a kid is sporting an FSU hat does NOT mean he's FSU. And to say that you want members of FSU’s mothers to cry over the fate of their sons- you twisted FUCK, you think that they suffer no loss. You think you are the first asshole whose tryed to challenge Guys because they are FSU, its ridiculous really. Its bullshit, most of these people are older, have families, a lot of them don’t even drink, and very few ever do or have done drugs. T-minus 300 days, this is funny and if you are really scared of these boys-stick to the SPORTS PUBS...

who puts someone's phone number onhere, and what did Elgin's girlfriend ever do to be called such nasty names...it looks like you are the real hater, not them! I am trying to track your ass down...just know that!

Ahh, and Bridge 9 has, apparently, been notified.

http://www.b9board.com/viewtopic.php?t=363645

oh, someone posted the article to megauploads
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RMEWZGJG

yep, 2 of my pictures are in there.



it originally looked like this:


I went through like 1500 DBD pictures and spent and afternoon making 70+ of them look "crappy"

crap, it's this picture

there is an awful lot of hot air in this thread. posting "i'm gonna do this and i'm gonna do that" anonymously on a message board is not going to strike fear into the hearts of the perpetrators. don't waste your time talking about what you are "going" to do, just do it. if you think you have the balls to stand up, then stand up. but be prepared to face the consequences of your actions. no i'm not threatening, and no i'm not a part of FSU, but think first. just because you are in the army doesn't give you the right to govern show attendees. i've heard a lot in my life about the dreaded FSU, but of all the shows i've been too, i've never really seen anything major go down. sure there are fights, sure there are problems, but they aren't solely to blame. there are problems with all walks of life and "crews". say you do spark some revolution, what will that prove? do you walk around shows now acting tough because you defeated the evil FSU? you can't expect people to agree with policing shows "just in case" something happens. a militia isn't the way to solve anything, because then you look no better than what you are fighting against.

He's gonna be the anti-tuff d00d crue Batman.

1.i love how in that article they try to make FSU sound like this violent straight edge gang when a good amount of them are far from edge.
2.i agree with rev that BBD gives alot of people a bad view of FSU
3.like everyone else says i may not agree with everything they do but i know some stand up dudes in FSU
4.and in no way am i supporting them by saying this but i think "armydude" is severly underestimating what he's fucking with. i dont suggest you go to shows with the intent of beating up people with FSU gear or tattoos im just saying i dont think it would end well.
5.violent hardcore shows are part of reality dont go if you dont liek the violence cause your sure as hell not gonna stop it.

yo..mad props rev aaron

mad props to the picture gangstaaaaaa

ha, i can see me in that pic. that show was fucking packed.

I was just going to say that your head is in there. I thought it was the first one, but after looking at the pictures, it's the one that has the top of your face/head.

babyshaker nli said:

Sounds like fighting fire with fire or dumping gas on a fire in order to put it out.

Army dude said:

check it out for yourself & lets see what they have to say to you....you've got alot of balls but not enough to handle fsu. go back to the army & kill some terrorists instead of worrying about something you know nothing about. just cuz you read it in rolling stone doesn't mean its true. all these magazines & newspapers like to glorify their stories to make $$ & 9 out of 10 times they dont have their facts straight anyways. go back to war & defend our country & let the hardcore scene deals with its problems when they arise. www.bridge9.com

haha he doesnt know what bridge 9 is???

brandon.. said:


YEAH HE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT BRIDGE9 BUT HE KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT FSU. CAN YOU SAY MEATHEAD.....

I mean dont get me wrong i hate it when there are fights at shows, and even more when kids get jumped. But talking about hardcore like you know so much and then saying hey whats this bridge 9 you speak thats just fucking hilarious.

Not to mention he said "if things get out of hand, we put them BACK IN HAND, WITH AN IRON FIST" hahahah i cant believe noone made fun of this shit yet.

I take it this guy went to a hatebreed show and got kicked and now hes pissed.

chrisabomb said:

not trying to stir the shitpot or anything...

but i heard that this guy



is affiliated and wants to "fuck him in the ass and make him humble"

I know what crew you can eliminate after FSU is no more:

this crew should definitely be eliminated first:

I think FSU is gay. Forever Suck United. United we suck, divided we fall. Everyone's looking for a flag to wave. I like some BFB songs. But how can anyone respect FSU when they themselves destroyed their very own "scene". Rotted, from the inside out. Too bad nobody can stand on their own any more these days. No personal responsibility anymore either.

"Hardcore" was always about standing on your own. Educating yourself, overcoming odds single-handedly, thus helping a movement. Henry Rollins style. Not a "gang" mentality. White Niggers from Boston and surrounding areas, wow. Go to Compton with the Black Niggers and be degenerates. Off each other in record numbers, please. Leave us out of it.

If some derelict criminal tries to ramdomly victimize you in a bathroom somewhere, slam your thumbs into their eyes and push in as hard as you possibly can. Just grind your thumbs right in. Make them never forget you. Set the bar, make an example. Self-defense is highly underrated. Kill or be killed.

Dummy up White Niggers.

Lone Wolf said:


heh, yea...some Racism oughta get your point across well and teach them niggers a lesson

Lone Wolf said:

yer samrt

got gotta go with the classics, right?

babyshaker nli said:

BBD?





AND NOW YOU KNOW

BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:

it's true i actually heard michael bivens is the cause of most FSU slander

http://rollingstone.com/fsugang
that video isn't there...

no mohr showz thar be FSU's!

I love that tired old rumor.. 'they kicked the nazis out!'

THEY ARE THE NAZIS!

The article didn't try to insinuate there were a lot of sxe members. It said some were, then described what it was.

Army dude- you're cute. Just wondering what you think of the crop of current and ex marines who are in and associated with FSU? Guys who are veterans of both Gulf Wars? As someone else said here, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about, and are "outraged" by an article you read in Rolling Stone. If you actually knew half as much as you THINK you do, you'd be borderline genius. And, if you've been around so long, why didn't you "stand up" to this "evil" before now? Probably didn't see many FSU dudes at the Korn shows you were going to, huh?

Also, I've seen on MANY occassions, MANY FSU guys fight off multiple people. I always hear about these 5 on 1 beatings, but I've seen just as many 1 or 2 onto 5-10 beatings in my 15 years around the "scene."

what an annoying thread....
i'm retiring from the internet
maybe

the_reverend said:

yes it is and has some of yer pics

kickedthenazisout? said:

Riiiiiiiiiiight. That explains the different races. I was there. You?

I can't wait for army dude, if he's for real, to seriously fuck up some 19 year old he "thought" was in FSU for hitting someone in the pit or something.

What is FSU anyways ? I always thought that it was a gay pride group Faggots Stand United.

I guess he missed the "mixed race" part about the "FSU leader". also, he has obviously never seen the DMS guys. now they scare me... nothing more fightening than a bunch of dudes that stand there completely silent.

the_reverend said:

Drinking beers in the dressing room NEXT to Madball's was scary. Mainly 'cause they kept trying to throw some dude through the wall into our room.

You're all deluded fucking fanboys if you think being mixed race means FSU isn't a bunch of nazis.

How many crossed hammer tattoos do they need, or just how fascist do they need to be before you get it?

Lone Wolf said:

I'm not anti-FSU or for-FSU, and I usually like to believe that people do their own thing, but that little bit was retardedly posted.

Good one. I bet they're all shedding a tear after that zinger.

The crossed hammer tattoo thing has been adopted by biker gangs and doesn't have any direct correlation with the Hammer Skins. I can only think of 1 or 2 guys who have them, that didn't become or aren't bikers now, and one of them I believe was a Hammerskin when he was younger.

Army dude said:



or you could just go to the roller kingdom sunday. RJ's is playing,not sure if hes playing with them

why is this article coming out now anyways? seems kinda late.

i heard the courage crew in the mid west is like 10 times worse than FSU. I believe they are mostly edge dudes,who will,beat the shit out of you for drinking at a show. at least this what I heard from a dude in Michigan

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA loser.

Hung_to_Bleed said:

HTB, good call. Nuff said.

http://www.myspace.com/righteousjams says he is.

I will say this: I've got old friends that either ended up in FSU or are well-connected with same. I'm on good terms with a few of the older guys, i.e. the guys who actually have a little pull with the young crazy dudes. And there have been times, even so, when they were barely able to keep me from ending up wrapped around a parking meter, because I laughed at the wrong joke from the wrong guy, or didn't look somebody in the eye right, or whatever. There are a lot of different sides to this shit, and a lot of stuff gets blown out of proportion on the interbutts, and you can't apply blanket statements just because a few young bloods are trying to make bones and get out of hand, but all the semantic acrobatics in the world don't change the fact that, when those dudes are around - and I'm talking about the "actual for real" dudes, not random kids in BFB shirts - violence happens, and pretty randomly. And no amount of being a chill dude, or watching your step and/or mouth, or "knowing the right people" is gonna stop it; unless you happen to be "somebody" with scene pull - i.e., you were in a band a few years back, you have a label, you take pictures of everybody's bands, you're somebody's little brother, whatever - there's not a damn thing you can do about it when you lose the lottery.

congrats aaron. I was actually surprised the article wasn't worse. army dude is a donkey and more than likely a fake looking to stir up shit nobody can be that retarded. If he is real and looking for a fight it wouldn't be that hard to find an FSU guy. RS even pointed out Brockton as our "home turf". I will even guarantee you nobody jumps in and the REV can post photos for everyone to see you kick my ass.

Poo.

link the article please

FSU = Fags Sleep United

Just the fact they have to have 10 people to fight, or I should say (kick a helpless person thats on the ground) says alot about how weak and cowardly they are. I dont need a group of people or a fucking hammer and machete to fight, pussy's.

It's funny. After reading the article, I noticed a few familar names and a few familar bands, (including one that is now apparently FSU linked who I was going to put on a compilation CD which never happened) and the ECHC website being referenced, which I've posted on for about seven years. Just a lot of stuff hitting closer to home then I expected.

TITD: it's up there on a megauploads link.
otherwise, it's in the magazine only.

I'm tickled pink to hear that this army guy thinks he's gonna make a difference! HAHAHAHA! Yeah just so you know current Specialist in the Army here. Funny too how over half this thread from what I skimmed through seems to not agree with him.

Nothin wrong with the FSU guys, just like any other group of people, stay on their good side, and you stay out of harms way. There have been many nights at shows where I have earned the respect of a few random guys from FSU. Never bothered to catch any names or run with the crew though. I earned their respect so I know I'm good when they are around.

Army dude said:

Man if you have done as much "Research" as you say you have you would know just what Bridge 9 is. It's their record label. And you would also know that a good portion of FSU (atleast the older members) have grown up to lead fairly succesful lives. A lot of them have kids and families, have gone to get degrees and good jobs. Sure like any gang affiliation there are some who are more low lifes than others but that doesn't make all of them bad. And it's not like every show they go to they stomp someones face into the ground. I have been to a few FSU shows where no one leaves all fucked up. Maybe a small fight here or there but nothing more.

Bridge Nine and FSU have nothing to do with hardcore, therefore, I don't pay any attention to them.

Mickey378 said:

Lamp in NC said:

Other than having 100% complete controll over what the mainstream and general population consider modern hardcore.

Lamp in NC said:

Niccolai said:

Sadly, you're both 1000% right.

This thread makes me glad I no longer give a shit about 99.9999999999% of hardcore.

Lamp in NC said:

You're a moron, therefore I don't pay any attention to you.

Whatever you say, homo.

Lamp in NC said:

how does Bridge 9 have nothing to do with hardcore??? They are probably one of,if not the best hardcore label out there right now...

The only good thing I've ever heard that Bridge Nine put out originally was the Shark Attack 7". The vast majority of that label is just third-rate metalcore.

I'm back from Vegas...

and not exactly sad I missed out on this thread.

Lamp in NC said:

That, A Poor Excuse, and For the Worse. That's pretty much it.

there is a lot of youth crew on there too.

Sharkpunch is the best new hardcore band...

xmikex said:

how was vegas dude?
you hit it big in the casino?
or did you get that $2 lap dance?

Vegas was awsome. I hardly hit it big, but I still had a great time. 100 degrees every day with no humidity... the rain lasts about 15 minutes at a time... On two consecutive occasions I lost almost $200 playing black jack, won it back, and then made a profit... I won $40 off the Yankees Orioles game on Wednesday... ate at fancy restaraunts like a cartoon king, went swimming every single day, hung out on the strip every single night, and then lost all my gambling profits on the last day. Great fucking time.

DestroyYouAlot said:

I didn't care for the For The Worse stuff I heard, never heard A Poor Excuse.

The copy of the Project X material I have says Bridge Nine but I'm guessing that's not the original label that put it out, I dig that as well. I also like Think I Care's older stuff but the stuff they put out on B9 was pretty crappy if you ask me.

I was in FSU for 4 years. all we did was busted a few skin head bitches up and WE saved teh shows so fuck your tai shitzu i have 3 black belts and would like to see you "TRY" anything on my dear friend Elgin.

just don't fuck with the homies and your straight.xxx

this.

except "modern hardcore" is fucking terrible and is NOT hardcore.

play fast or gtfo and take your breakdowns with you