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returntothepit >> discuss >> Apocalypto by CNV on Jun 15,2007 10:34am
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toggletoggle post by CNV at Jun 15,2007 10:34am
Awesome and fucking bloody movie... Surpassed my expectations with some excellent visuals !!! The Mayan sacrificial temple was brilliant...



toggletoggle post by CNV at Jun 15,2007 10:53am
- We found a great number of books... and since they contained nothing but superstitions and falsehoods of the Devil we burned them all.

- Catholic Bishop Diego De Landa, after burning priceless books of Mayan history and science, July, 1562



toggletoggle post by XmikeX at Jun 15,2007 11:04am
Movie ruled. Gore in a movie doesn't so much impress me, so I wasn't sure if I was really going to be floored by this movie. Great story, very suspenseful, and the twist at the end I didn't see coming at all.... well I've read a history book so obviously I had to have seen it a little bit. Great movie though. I would have liked to see some of the other villagers (like that one big goofy guy) get a little more retribution. I think I would have felt a little better about it.



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Jun 15,2007 11:29am
for the love of god, who was apolcalypto?



toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jun 15,2007 11:33am
anonymous said:
for the love of god, who was apolcalypto?


He was the guy that dropped you as a baby, ensuring that you would ask stupid questions like this.

I heard he was friends with Jethro Tull. The two of them would hang out at Leonard Skinnard's house.



toggletoggle post by Kinslayer (aka c.dagger) at Jun 15,2007 11:33am
good movie....for a JEW hahaha


Just kidding.

Paul, lets practice on Sat.



toggletoggle post by CNV at Jun 15,2007 11:37am
Matt and I are working on the album this Saturday.

I will shoot you an email...



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Jun 15,2007 12:51pm
Josh_Martin said:
anonymous said:
for the love of god, who was apolcalypto?


He was the guy that dropped you as a baby, ensuring that you would ask stupid questions like this.

I heard he was friends with Jethro Tull. The two of them would hang out at Leonard Skinnard's house.



Lynyrd Skynyrd



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Jun 18,2007 12:11pm
i just watched this last night. pretty good flick... i dont know how historically accurate it was but other than that it was entertaining



toggletoggle post by Strep Cunt at Jun 18,2007 3:47pm
Who knew Mel could come up with something awesome like that.

Jaguar Paw is the shit. "Almost"



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Feb 3,2008 4:01pm
started watching it, went to the bathroom.. came back and they were all dying.



toggletoggle post by NIGGER  at Feb 3,2008 5:53pm
IT'S ANTI-SEMITIC
LOL
JEWS R WHITE

BLACK POWER!



toggletoggle post by BoarcorpseJimbo   at Jun 27,2009 12:53pm
watching this now, awesome so far.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jun 27,2009 9:51pm
classic movie. saw it the day it came out & bought the dvd the day that came out.
Primary reason why I liked it was because no one makes movies about the Mayan Civilization.

That being said, however, it is NOT HISTORICALLY accurate by any means. Definitely one of my biggest complaints but I still thoroughly enjoyed it.

I hated the fucking ending...



toggletoggle post by joeyumbrella  at Jun 27,2009 10:55pm
movie rules, no care on history. most mel gibson movies are the best



toggletoggle post by BoarcorpseJimbo   at Jun 28,2009 3:31pm
So Mel Gibson really likes his violence..



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jun 28,2009 3:39pm
I really liked how this show exactly what happened back then in great detail.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jun 28,2009 9:22pm
the_reverend said[orig][quote]
I really liked how this show exactly what happened back then in great detail.


you've got to be kidding, right? have you opened up a history book in the past 5 years??



toggletoggle post by joeyumbrella  at Jun 29,2009 8:40am


just this...



toggletoggle post by BoarcorpseJimbo   at Jun 29,2009 9:46am
Yes Jim, I think he was joking.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jun 29,2009 10:13am
He is half-right, though. They do go into great detail about certain aspects of Mayan society.. however the whole premesis is off. Mel Gibsom portrayed the Mayans (although never clarifiet IS the Mayans) were an evil people that had no respect for human life. And his finishing tough was when the Spanish came, arriving as savoirs with monks and crosses for these savages. A few examples of stuff that didn't happen in real life:
1.) There were no "jungle" tribes back then that had no contact with Mayan cities. There were Mayan cities littered about, 10-20 miles apart in most cases. They had roads, trade routes, and the like. If these "tribes" had no idea of Mayan cities than that's just false.
2.) Most Mayans would have been honored to be sacrificed in the name of their god. they wouldn't have been petrified like the ones in the movie.
3.) The city was loosely based off the aritecture in the Mayan city of Tikal, which was at its height of power well before the Spanish came. Basically, as a whole, the whole Mayan civilization was 90% gone when the Spanish arrived.
4.) There hasn't been much proof to support a mass grave like the one shown in the movie. Gibson just added that to paint the Mayans are savages even more.
5.) The whole entire fact that the Spanish arrive at the end of the movie made me want to puke. They arrived 600 years after the Mayan's apex. When they Spanish arrived the Aztecs were in power, but they were more to the west in Central Mexico.

It is absolutely absurd to watch movies now thinking they'll be historically accuarate. But this movie was a great movie, despite its lies. As you can see, I'm obviously pro-Mayan because I think Mexico would be a much better place today if the Spanish hadn't conquered it and destroyed 85% of Mayan artifacts/documents/language.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Jun 29,2009 10:29am
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
Basically, as a whole, the whole Mayan civilization was 90% gone when the Spanish arrived.


Basically, all Amerind civilization was 90% gone when the Europeans arrived.

They always were downers.

On the eugenics list, we were talking about the different origins of Amerinds. Likely one group were the North Americans and slave peoples of Central America, and another group were Inca, Maya, Aztec... a smarter group, probably from Japan. The others were Siberians who couldn't hack the transition to modern Asians. This is why Asian groups cluster at two ends of the IQ spectrum: about 95 (Vietnamese, Thai, Amerinds, Mexicans, etc) and about 105 (Chinese, Koreans, Japanese).




toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jun 29,2009 10:47am
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
the_reverend said[orig][quote]
I really liked how this show exactly what happened back then in great detail.


you've got to be kidding, right? have you opened up a history book in the past 5 years??

I don't give a shit what happened in the past 5 years. that's not history. history is like what mel gibson did here describing out what happened back then.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jun 29,2009 10:49am
I've heard about that as well. Pretty intriguing if you look at the DNA trail left by the people who migrated thousands of years ago.

On a side and off topic note, one forgotten historical connection that barely anyone talks about are the Hopi Natives being in contact with the Mayans. The Hopi (ancient ones) were the mother tribe of the Navajo natives, and had a city of 40,000+ in the desert of Arizona. They've recently discovered trade routes coming out of Mexico and into areas where the Hopi civilization thrived. Same stuff goes on today, but its the drug cartels, and a bunch of Mexicans doing it, haha.



toggletoggle post by Eli_hhcb at Jun 29,2009 1:14pm
I saw this in theaters. One of the most troubling movies i'd ever seen on the big screen.



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