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returntothepit >> discuss >> Grindhouse.. before Tarantino did it by the_reverend on Apr 11,2007 8:56am
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toggletoggle post by succubus  at Apr 11,2007 9:04am
I never said that Tarantino stole our story. Death Proof and Grindhouse (’03), to my knowledge, have no shared story threads or scenes. Our whole point in this exercise was to call out someone who we believed ran with the concept. Tarantino talks a lot, a lot, about what he intends to make. Inglorious Bastards. The Vega Brothers Movie. More Kill Bills in both live action and animated form. I don’t believe I ever read anything before 2004 about wanting to do a Grindhouse feature. Nor a double feature. Nor a movie about a killer with a fast car.

To all those calling out the “copyright the title” claim, that was meant to be taken into consideration for what the copyright was for. It was for the screenplay. The entire reason behind that claim was validate the date for the start of production for our film, so it wasn’t just a claim of “I asked Quentin to make my movie at party.” It was, we made the movie, we tried to protect it (through the writers guild and the copyright office) for our future, and still lost out.

On a side note, ironically, I just found out Quentin made this same claim against the producers of Casino Royal for “stealing his take on the material.” He just wanted a shout out from them of being the guy that came with the concept of returning Bond to his down and dirty roots. I guess that’s the best way to sum up our complaint. Thanks, Quentin.

Our movie will not stand up to the Weinstein’s 60 million dollar extravaganza. We made the fuckin thing for $4,000 on weekends with whatever we could scratch up. It was a starter film, at best to be something to show we could make a feature. It was meant to be sloppy, to be watched drunk or stoned, to enjoy as…well…a low budget Grindhouse movie.

What people don’t realize is that this isn’t about money. This isn’t about getting our film “out there.” Trust me, we never thought this film, in this version, was going to be a launch. We hoped that someone would see it and maybe give us more money to remake it with a decent budget.

This is about standing up for yourself. This man has a history of outright stealing shit and it’s time for someone to just call him out on it and not waiver. And those who are so offended that I would have the audacity to call out Tarantino on such flimsy evidence, I say I really don’t care. A thief is a thief, famous or no. I don’t believe anyone in the history of Hollywood has successfully proved theft of ideas. So, I didn’t honestly expect this to go any better. That being said, unless you’re completely uneducated about his career history, he is known for being a complete thief who writes great dialogue. But stop stealing shit, calling it referential, putting good music to it, and making everybody worship you for it.

As for the claim that we’re doing this to drive sales for our film, to “piggyback off the success of Grindhouse (07).” it simply isn’t true. We’re not getting rich off 99 cent downloads, trust me. Lenny and I have decided that stay true to what we’re trying to do here, for everyone who buys a copy of our Grindhouse, we’re donating the money to an independent film fund. The couple of hundred bucks we make from downloads will pay for some future indie’s catering. Who will receive the money will be posted tomorrow.

I posted this at a blog the other day, but it essentially is our review for the film from Film Threat. It by no means is a glowing review, but I think it understands what we were trying to accomplish with limited means:

http://www.filmthreat.com/index.php?section=reviews&Id=5591




toggletoggle post by succubus  at Apr 11,2007 9:05am
Will I Be Watching Tarantino's Grindhouse? No.

Quentin Tarantino is a thieving piece of shit and he knows it. He stole Grindhouse from a bunch of kids who were just asking for his help and he helped them by stealing their title and concept.

Let me explain. For those who don't know, I made a film called Grindhouse in 2003. We actually started shooting it in 2002, but went to the festivals and got reviews in 2003, winning BEST HORROR FILM in the New York International Film and Video Festival. We also got many favorable mentions from established publications such as Fangoria and Rue Morgue. The movie was low, low, low budget. Which made sense, because that's what Grindhouse films were – really low budget movies that had little artistic merit. Most of the reviewers got that. They realized what we realized – if you're going to make a horror movie with $4,000 – the smart bet is to redo a Grindhouse film where the low budget and all that comes with it are celebrated.

We approached Tarantino twice during the life of Grindhouse. The first time is when producer Lenny Shteynberg and I were at the premier after party for Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back in Westwood. Tarantino was there, and to his credit, he was very approachable. I told him that we were going to shoot a new kind of Grindhouse movie, and asked if we could show it to him when we were finished. He politely declined, and
we parted friends.

It would be two years later – November 2003- after we finished production (and won our award), that we again approached Tarantino. We knew the movie was too tiny for a theatrical run, but thought maybe we could get a direct to DVD deal. Through industry contacts, I found the business address for his production company, and Fed Ex'd a copy of the film and the poster. It was signed for by a "C. Hill." or Chill. I knew he received it, and just hoped that got what we were trying to do. Kill Bill was on the radar, so I thought it was good timing for us. We never heard from Tarantino or anyone in his production company.

Cut to 2005. I was now working for a production company as a Post Coordinator. I picked up an issue of the trade publication Variety, announcing: Tarantino was making a film called GRINDHOUSE. Not our Grindhouse, something he was teaming up with Robert Rodriguez on.

I was heartbroken. One of my heroes had ripped us off. And it wasn't like we were anybody. We were nobodies, trying to get ahead with our tiny film like he had almost a decade before. I had our entertainment attorney call Dimension Films, where Tarantino was setting the film up. I tried to stop them from using the title Grindhouse because I own it. I am the only person with the title Grindhouse registered with the copyright office. Dimension came back and said that Tarantino's was called Death Proof, not Grindhouse. Yes, we retorted, but you're not releasing it as Death Proof, you're releasing it as Grindhouse. They came back with, essentially, take us to court and see what happens to you. I didn't want to take them to court; I wanted them not to use the title.

It sucks, because now I'm that guy. I'm that guy stating that a big Hollywood player ripped off my idea. We all know how that looks. But, a. I made the movie – anyone can see it. and b. he's constantly referenced the day in 2003 when he got the idea to make a movie called Grindhouse. My bet is that it was the day he opened my Fed Ex. Maybe he didn't even watch the movie, but he had to have seen the poster, and maybe that was all it took.

Tarantino has fucked over people before – just ask his old writing buddy Roger Avary, whom he destroyed and left for dead in his post-Pulp Fiction rise. But I never thought he would turn on other indie filmmakers. And what's sad is, there were sacrifices on our end, too. My Grindhouse cost me two long-standing friendships over a business dispute. That was a regrettable situation, and one that burns me even more now that we really have nothing to show for it, and probably won't be able to. It takes away from their hard work, as well as everyone who sweated out weekends and endless time to try and make our little movie work.

People could say that there have been numerous movies with the same title. Gladiator comes to mind. To me, there's no way on God's green earth, that two movies called Grindhouse devoted to the idea of those old films, could be released. And it's weird that it happened after our film was released and got a fair amount of press in the genre circles.

So am I going to see it? No. Do I want you to not go see it? No. If you want to see it, please do. I knew someone who worked post on that show, and for what they went through to deliver Tarantino's film, I hope the movie does well. They deserve it. What Tarantino deserves is to be called out for the thief that he is. He's a complete piece of shit with no code of ethics for the industry that gave him his start – the indie industry.

If there's any justice in the world, he'll fall out of favor and have to watch as his long, long-gestating World War 2 epic, Inglorious Bastards, gets handed over to Lloyd Kauffman to produce and Uwe Boll to direct.

-Stephen Tramontana
~~~
posted that bcause it's easier for me to read on text.



toggletoggle post by y_ddraig_goch  at Apr 12,2007 10:33am
Yeah I don't think that those kids should even bitch about it.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Apr 12,2007 12:51pm
its so hard to believe something like that nowadays, everyone wants a piece of someone or someone's work. if its true, that absolutely blows because i think highly of Tarantino, but who knows.



toggletoggle post by RichHorror  at Apr 12,2007 12:53pm
It's not really too surprising to me. For years now Tarantino's basically been a cinematic tribute band anyway.



toggletoggle post by xanonymousx at Apr 12,2007 12:57pm
tarantino said he was remaking the movie anyways cause he enjoyed it a lot.



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at Apr 12,2007 1:02pm
RichHorror said:
It's not really too surprising to me. For years now Tarantino's basically been a cinematic tribute band anyway.


agreed. he's a pretty good cinematic tribute band.



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