I'm having a "disscution" with a guy on forums and he says grindcore isent a type of metal..is it?

the ever lasting debate of what is metal and what's not continues.

yes.

no.

Depends how you look at it. I remember seeing napalm death twice when I was a kid. Once was with an almost all hardcore bill. The other was with Sepultura, Sacred Reich, and Sick of it All.

I always associated grind with metal, but it appears that a lot of punk and hardcore kids claim it as their own.

"disscution"

also what type of grindcore are you talking about
Napalm Death grind or the new "grind" like molotov solution/ waking the cavader?

When you get down to it, grindcore is basically crossover with everything turned up to 11 - distortion, speed, volume, attitude....

xanonymousx said:

are you serious? waking the cadaver is being considered grind now?

all the grind kids like them

hey, im a "grind" kid that doesnt like them.

id say it depends on what your looking at, for example.

Disrupt - def. not metal, at all.
Nasum - not metal.

but...

Napalm Death - could be called metal
Bolt Thrower - cold also be called metal

so it depends on your view. It all depends on what end of the spectrum your looking at, some of it is closer to the punk/hardcore side, and a lot of it is damn near death metal.

hell, some bands go both ways, I never would have called Phobia a metal band, but the last couple records would make me think otherwise.

There are different types of grind that couold be considered metal and could not be considered metal.

There's goregrind/deathgrind that would obviously be considered metal.

IMO any grind that's out right now that's worth listening to is more emtal than not.

to many catagories..its all metal!!!

NE Cuntgrind

yea it depends, some people swear it's metal, some people swear it's hardcore, some bands sound more hardcore to me and some sound more metal, which i guess is why it is it's own genre. it's kind of the halfway point between punk based hardcore and thrash metal based death metal. i personally for the most part consider it metal.

i consider real grind to be metal. Now the difference would be if a scene kid tries to convince you that Dillinger or The Locust are grind like a lot of them like to... thats just pure bullshit

I'm sorry you're all wrong, the correct answer is: Who gives a fuck?

There's grind that sounds more like hardcore and there's grind that sounds more like metal. It varies from band to band. I personally prefer the more hardcore sounding bands(even though I dig some goregrind), but whatever.

KeithMutiny said:

I mean the scene grind kids

Dissector said:

well whether or not you care about the issue at hand doesn't circumvent it perspective wise... with that said genres don't make a band good or bad, that is to be decided on the bands own merits

archaeon said:

Complete oxymoron.

its funny, because one of the points of the genre, was to distance itself from the other genres.

There are some bands that are deemed as the crossover sub-genre known as "death-grind." Grindcore like that, in that sence, could be the closest to Metal. By definition, Grindcore has almost (if none at all) no relativity to metal, because of the major Hardcore Punk influence it has been known for.

I saw you shoplifting books about grindcore from Brentano's the other day, but I forgot to say hello.

hahahahahha

A decade ago, a friend of mine pulled out an Anal Cunt CD and said "Dude, I just found this band, they are totally fucked up. You have to listen to this. It's a new kind of metal called Grindcore."

Since that day whenever someone talkes about grindcore, A.C. is the sound I hear in my head. Knowing that one of their members is on this board, I have to ask: Is A.C. grindcore?

Depends on what era you're talking about. Their older stuff isn't grind. Their new stuff yes. Kind of simple, you don't really hear many grind bands using a verse/chorus song structure, but the point still stands.

Which CD did you hear?

grindcore is very terrifying

^ is in a grindcore band

Phrozenspite said:

The Dillinger Escape Plan uses a lot of Discordance Axis influences on their earier stuff, listen to the under the running board ep.

Under the running board is not grind, imo

I don't think any Dillinger Escape Plan is really grind, I think of it as the start of the so called math metal thing. Not to discredit any type of music flat out, but I get the impression that like 95% of the people here have no knowledge of punk and hardcore because they like metal so much which is okay. To me, saying that grind is metal is wrong. But I also think saying that grind is hardcore is also wrong. I think it's really a merger of the two that got pushed to a new extreme. At least in its purest form anyway. Some people also clump in powerviolence with grindcore and while I don't think this is necessarily flat out wrong either, I personally think it evolved much more out of hardcore(even though a lot of modern powerviolence bands have a more metal edge to them).

i started with punk, which evolved into powerviolence/hardcore, into crust, which then turned into grind...

and here i sit today.

but thats just me.

I would say you make decent points throughout. Except, I think Human Remains was probably more the start of math metal...but, DEP was more popular. Although, I think grind is it's own thing, I think it has more of a punk attitude to it, not that music is judged by attitude alone. It really could go either way depending on the band.

yummy said:


so, its true.

well...I can't even think of a clever response, lemme giggle

no, I'm strictly dickly Keith. u?

depends how im feeling

it's Sunday. How do u feel?

i feel like partying!

now you're just dancing

yummy said:

I can't dispute that, I've never heard Human Remains before...

it's cool, in all fairness, DEP took it to a different level anyways. Just as all bands do

Lamp said:

All I remember was that it had the track "Shut Up Mike!" Because like all drummers we had to tell ours to shut up on the drums so we could hear each other discuss whatever riff we were working on. And his name was Mike (Yes, same guy. I've been jamming with him since 1994).

i just saw the name of this thread and the number of hits/replies it's gotten...
not even going to bother reading through this...
but if you're not quite sure if human remains or nasum are metal...

there's this crazy shit called 'pussy' out there...

you probably won't believe me, but it's almost as cool as debating sub-tard topics on an academic level in the name of metal

Dark_violinist said:

Top 40 Hits. That one was half the blur stuff I was talking about and half the simplified grind.

grindcore is not metal, because if it was it would be called METAL.
grindcore = blast beats
metal = solos
no comprimise.
i agree with goatcatalyst, go find some kunts, boyz.

dickweed said:

your a jackass, your better off just shutting up now, before you look like more of a fool.

who cares. grindcore is filled with 50000000000000000000 bands that play the same riffs. Most of those bands call themselves gore grind, which is the most boring of it all. I bet I just pissed off like 500 people with this comment. Whatever.

I like maybe a total of 5 or 6 grind bands. Discordance Axis being my favorite.

metal - 90% meatheads - 10% whining about nonsense

grind - 90% politics, 10% making fun of meatheads


theres your difference

MadOakDevin said:

Discodance Axis is my favorite too.

GoatCatalyst said:

Yeah, I agree! Fuck everyone who has a hobby that interests and engages them! They're all just a bunch of faggots who will never accomplish anything besides being happy with who they are! The key to living a really awesome life is to put your happiness in the hands of other people who's minds you can't read and base your own satisfaction on how good you are at being a manipulative jackass and getting them to sleep with you!

GoatCatalyst said:

Who can argue with this Grim pussy magnet. Hahahahahah!!!!

that was mentally exhausting Lamp. Yet so right.

stupid fucks

I never said anything about being unsure if Human Remains or Nasum were metal. Then again, you didn't even bother reading this so...

If anybody betrays me I never forgive them!

i'll fuck your mouth

GoatCatalyst is Grim said:

not many!

at the gates, the red in the sky is ours. i remember having that tape and it had GRINDCORE! on it, and they went on to change metal. so, whatever.

dickweed said:

O.K. I see your point. But where do bands that have both blast beats and solos in their music fall?

DO ASIANS LOVE CAMERAS?

as someone already said, grindcore is not metal, it is grindcore. it is definitely arguable that it can be metal, just as it is arguable that it is hardcore. it is inevitable over time that new genres are created, as much as many people hate hearing all sorts of new genres being created left and right (especially since most of them are fucking retarded).

many different grind bands have varied influences and elements of various styles, which is really what makes grind a separate genre all together. as time passes, these influences and elements are stretched and substituted all over the place, which is why some grind bands sound more like metal than punk or hardcore, and vice versa. one of the best aspects of grind is that there really aren't many set rules. there is a formula to sound like a punk band, a formula for a hardcore band, a formula for a death metal band, etc. etc., but there are many possibilities for grind since it was conceived as an amalgamation of styles.

I think instead of new genres, we need the ones that are there defined into more specifics. Wikipedia is actually trying to do this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heavy_metal_genres

I think that if the public in general checks out the list of definitions they've compiled, everyone would be on the same page. Right now you have people pointing the finger and calling bands _____ genre without having any idea what that genre is(guilty myself), and you have bands who think they are genres that they are clearly not.

Example: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...user.viewprofile&friendID=108009559

Neither country, christian nor black metal.

Grindcore is it's own genre with hardcore and death metal roots.Who cares about genres anymore?Everything is so crossed over at this point anyways.

Agreed.

IT'S ALL POWER-SLOP!

MarkFuckingRichards said:

as much as i love (and play) grindcore, i really don't see how there's any fewer rules to grindcore than there are to punk or death metal or hardcore or anything. tremolo picking power chords to blastbeats, d-beats, and double bass, with growled and or screeched/screamed vocals=grindcore, if you are not doing these things, it will not sound like "grindcore". it is arguable that the subject matter is more open but in %99 of cases it is not, there are socio-political grind bands, gore grind bands, porno grind bands, offensive/anti-p.c. grindcore bands, and joke grindcore bands, that's about it, but it's still a fairly rigid formula as much as anything else is.

It's kind of weird too that there's so much elitism in grind, I guess grindy dudes really hate scene kids. Or scene drama. But then again, I could easily do without scene drama. There's a lot of unity in that one little scene, seeing as the bands that play that style of music cover a lot of ground lyrically, there's no self-righteous crap, no high school shit, just aural annihilation.