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returntothepit >> discuss >> Death Metal Jazz???? by metalguy on Jun 14,2006 1:42pm
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toggletoggle post by metalguy at Jun 14,2006 1:42pm
This is a long shot but I am gonna try anyways. I want to start a new Death Metal project that is a little different. And I already have the sound thought out. But I need to find people kinda unique.

Desired Inspirations

Cannibal Corpse
Pat Metheny
Carcass
John Coltrane
Wormed
Miles Davis

I am going for a fusion of Death Metal and Jazz if you haven't already figured it out. I have a MIDI demonstrating my idea if you want to email me for it.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Jun 14,2006 1:48pm
Don't forget Cynic and Atheist.



toggletoggle post by DreamingInExile   at Jun 14,2006 1:57pm
Demilich anyone?



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Jun 14,2006 2:07pm edited Jun 14,2006 3:11pm
und Pestilence, und 'Obscura' by GorGUTs.

Edit: not Gorgasm.



toggletoggle post by JazzMetal?! at Jun 14,2006 2:12pm
that band red tide was kinda like that also, watchtower! even believer!



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Jun 14,2006 2:22pm
A little Believer, yep. Watchtower. Spastic Inc. And so on. Those weren't really death metal, but hey.



toggletoggle post by Revocation at Jun 14,2006 2:26pm
Martyr from Canada have some jazz/fusion influences people should definatey check them out. Dan Mongrain is one of the best guitarists in metal right now.



toggletoggle post by davefromthegrave  at Jun 14,2006 2:28pm
www.myspace.com/corphagy

It might not be exactly what you're looking for, but it's goddamn cool.



toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jun 14,2006 2:39pm
Naked City and Painkiller already did this 15 years ago.




toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jun 14,2006 2:43pm


1. Blood is Thin. (1:00)
2. Demon Sanctuary. (0:38)
3. Thrash Jazz Assassin. (0:45)
4. Dead Spot. (0:31)
5. Bonehead. (0:51)
6. Speedball. (0:37)
7. Blood Duster. (0:13)
8. Pile Driver. (0:33)
9. Shangkuan Ling-Feng. (1:14)
10. Numbskull. (0:29)
11. Perfume Of A Critic's Burning Flesh. (0:24)
12. Jazz Snob Eat Shit. (0:24)
13. The Prestidigitator. (0:43)
14. No Reason To Believe. (0:26)
15. Hellraiser. (0:39)
16. Torture Garden. (0:35)
17. Slan. (0:23)
18. Hammerhead. (0:08)
19. The Ways Of Pain. (0:31)
20. The Noose. (0:10)
21. Sack Of Shit. (0:43)
22. Blunt Instrument. (0:53)
23. Osaka Bondage. (1:14)
24. Igneous Ejaculation. (0:20)
25. Shallow Grave. (0:40)
26. Ujaku. (0:27)
27. Kaoru. (0:50)
28. Dead Dread. (0:45)
29. Billy Liar. (0:10)
30. Victims Of Torture. (0:22)
31. Speedfreaks. (0:29)
32. New Jersey Scum Swamp. (0:41)
33. S & M Sniper. (0:14)
34. Pigfucker. (0:23)
35. Cairo Chop Shop. (0:22)
36. Fuck The Facts. (0:11)
37. Obeah Man. (0:17)
38. Facelifter. (0:34)
39. N.Y. Flat Top Box. (0:43)
40. Whiplash. (0:19)
41. The Blade. (0:36)
42. Gob Of Spit. (0:18)
Joey BARON: drums
Yamatsuka EYE: vocals
Bill FRISELL: guitar
Fred FRITH: bass
Wayne HORVITZ: keyboards
John ZORN: alto sax




toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Jun 14,2006 2:51pm


1. Scud Attack. (3:07)
2. Deadly Obstacle Collage. (0:21)
3. Damage to the Mask. (2:43)
4. Guts of a Virgin. (1:19)
5. Handjob. (0:10)
6. Portent. (4:00)
7. Hostage. (2:24)
8. Lathe of God. (0:56)
9. Dr. Phibes. (3:00)
10. Purgatory of Fiery Vulvas. (0:26)
11. Warhead. (1:12)
12. Devil's eye. (4:37)
Mick HARRIS: drums
Bill LASWELL: bass
John ZORN: alto sax




toggletoggle post by RichHorror  at Jun 14,2006 2:52pm
Naked City is fucking awesome.



toggletoggle post by JazzMetal?! at Jun 14,2006 2:55pm
i saw naked city once, very very interesting group. the guitarist was like 50 years old and the drummer, whoa, the guy is incredible bald drummer! when i saw them they all had like music stands in front of them and were reading the music or something. that japanese guy was nuts! and the guy on the sax was crazy himself!



toggletoggle post by RichHorror  at Jun 14,2006 2:56pm
John Zorn is from another planet.



toggletoggle post by animalrampage at Jun 14,2006 2:57pm edited Jun 14,2006 3:00pm
Good to see other people into this kind of thing
Naked City changed my life
Anyone into them, Painkiller, etc. has got to check out Skerik's Syncopated Taint Septet and Electric Masada's At The Mountains of Madness theres a tune called "Metal Tov" that is the newest incarnation of Zorn's demonic side

http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/...3/a/At+The+Mountains+Of+Madness.htm

http://www.syncopatedtaint.com/themusic.html



toggletoggle post by notorious_D.U.G. at Jun 14,2006 2:57pm
DrinkHardThrashHard said:
und Pestilence, und 'Obscura' by Gorgasm.


It's Gorguts broseph.



toggletoggle post by Revocation at Jun 14,2006 3:09pm
The only Naked City album I really liked was Radio everything else is a little too cracked out for me. But yeah Radio is awesome.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Jun 14,2006 3:10pm
notorious_D.U.G. said:
DrinkHardThrashHard said:
und Pestilence, und 'Obscura' by Gorgasm.


It's Gorguts broseph.


Eh, my bad, I'll fix it. I hate Gorgasm.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Jun 14,2006 3:10pm
Josh_Martin said:


1. Blood is Thin. (1:00)
2. Demon Sanctuary. (0:38)
3. Thrash Jazz Assassin. (0:45)
4. Dead Spot. (0:31)
5. Bonehead. (0:51)
6. Speedball. (0:37)
7. Blood Duster. (0:13)
8. Pile Driver. (0:33)
9. Shangkuan Ling-Feng. (1:14)
10. Numbskull. (0:29)
11. Perfume Of A Critic's Burning Flesh. (0:24)
12. Jazz Snob Eat Shit. (0:24)
13. The Prestidigitator. (0:43)
14. No Reason To Believe. (0:26)
15. Hellraiser. (0:39)
16. Torture Garden. (0:35)
17. Slan. (0:23)
18. Hammerhead. (0:08)
19. The Ways Of Pain. (0:31)
20. The Noose. (0:10)
21. Sack Of Shit. (0:43)
22. Blunt Instrument. (0:53)
23. Osaka Bondage. (1:14)
24. Igneous Ejaculation. (0:20)
25. Shallow Grave. (0:40)
26. Ujaku. (0:27)
27. Kaoru. (0:50)
28. Dead Dread. (0:45)
29. Billy Liar. (0:10)
30. Victims Of Torture. (0:22)
31. Speedfreaks. (0:29)
32. New Jersey Scum Swamp. (0:41)
33. S & M Sniper. (0:14)
34. Pigfucker. (0:23)
35. Cairo Chop Shop. (0:22)
36. Fuck The Facts. (0:11)
37. Obeah Man. (0:17)
38. Facelifter. (0:34)
39. N.Y. Flat Top Box. (0:43)
40. Whiplash. (0:19)
41. The Blade. (0:36)
42. Gob Of Spit. (0:18)
Joey BARON: drums
Yamatsuka EYE: vocals
Bill FRISELL: guitar
Fred FRITH: bass
Wayne HORVITZ: keyboards
John ZORN: alto sax



That is definitely my fave NC record.



toggletoggle post by Anthony nli at Jun 14,2006 3:22pm
Sleep Terror



toggletoggle post by animalrampage at Jun 14,2006 3:24pm
What's Sleep Terror a band? an album?



toggletoggle post by davefromthegrave  at Jun 14,2006 3:27pm
this thread rocks



toggletoggle post by DreamingInExile   at Jun 14,2006 3:32pm
Anthony nli said:
Sleep Terror


agreed: http://www.myspace.com/sleepterror

it's one guy and he's insane on guitar, like BEYOND technical



toggletoggle post by Anthony nli at Jun 14,2006 3:33pm
animalrampage said:
What's Sleep Terror a band? an album?


its a band from northern CA. Just a guitarist and drummer, no vox. The guitarist also plays bass on the records. When I first heard them I was like "oh my god, best shit EVER!" But, I have alot of their recordings now and they don't have as much impact on me anymore. every song kinda follows the same formula.

They have wicked technical parts (kinda slammy DM style) and then jazz parts that trade off back and forth. Every song is like that. It is definitely amazing, though, check it out.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Jun 14,2006 3:36pm edited Jun 14,2006 3:37pm
Eh, I couldn't get into it. The 'jazz' parts sound like the very worst instrumental record guitar masturbators of the 80s, or failures at Mr. Bungle/Naked City kookiness, some of the death/thrash riffs would be cool in a band with some vocals and songwriting. Gotta agree with Anthony that it's a little formulaic.



toggletoggle post by animalrampage at Jun 14,2006 3:42pm
Wow Sleep Terror Kills. I wish they were coming to Mass on their tour I would love to see that stuff live.
Does Gorguts do a lot of jazz-influenced stuff or is it just one or two tracks to check out?



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Jun 14,2006 3:45pm
Just that one record Gorguts record "Obscura" was really strange, and contains some abstract jazz concepts. Their early albums were straight up death metal.



toggletoggle post by GoatOfCatalyst at Jun 14,2006 3:48pm
all us Catalyst dudes are HUGE Naked City fans. Our guitarist, Beard, has a Zorn tattoo on his taint.



toggletoggle post by Infant_Skin_Suitcase at Jun 14,2006 4:41pm
GoatOfCatalyst said:
all us Catalyst dudes are HUGE Naked City fans. Our guitarist, Beard, has a Zorn tattoo on his taint.


that is badass!



toggletoggle post by BornSoVile   at Jun 14,2006 4:45pm



toggletoggle post by animalrampage at Jun 14,2006 5:41pm
Sleep Terror, Pavor and Gorguts are all Jazz influenced death while Skerik and others are Death influenced jazz but I think Zorn is the only one that created a balanced mix



toggletoggle post by BornSoVile   at Jun 14,2006 5:47pm
My hard on for DEMILICH still hasn't gone down.



toggletoggle post by KeithMutiny  at Jun 14,2006 5:59pm
death metal and jazz huh...

didnt they alreayd do that?

oh yea they did, its called GRIND.



toggletoggle post by animalrampage at Jun 14,2006 7:38pm
metalguy said:
This is a long shot but I am gonna try anyways. I want to start a new Death Metal project that is a little different. And I already have the sound thought out. But I need to find people kinda unique.

Desired Inspirations

Cannibal Corpse
Pat Metheny
Carcass
John Coltrane
Wormed
Miles Davis

I am going for a fusion of Death Metal and Jazz if you haven't already figured it out. I have a MIDI demonstrating my idea if you want to email me for it.


These are all amazing groups. Metheny bores me to death though. You would like this group called The Dead Kenny G's. I really can't wait for everyone that has commented to hear Animal Rampage.



toggletoggle post by dwellingsickness at Jun 14,2006 7:49pm
no one mentioned HUMAN REMAINS..



toggletoggle post by nate   at Jun 14,2006 8:03pm
Virulence from Boston had a shitload of jazzy bass lines. I still miss this band!



toggletoggle post by intricateprocess   at Jun 14,2006 8:17pm
listen to John Zorn Naked City



toggletoggle post by dwellingsickness at Jun 14,2006 8:18pm
nate said:
Virulence from Boston had a shitload of jazzy bass lines. I still miss this band!


yea, they were awesome



toggletoggle post by metalguy at Jun 14,2006 10:28pm
Wow guys... wasn't looking for musical recommendations hahahahahaha.. But yea.. thanks..... anyways?



toggletoggle post by metalguy at Jun 14,2006 10:39pm
On to the music!!! I have heard Naked City and that is definitely not the sound I am going for here. Think more along the lines of heavy use of symetrical scales over chord changes. Lots of swing during slams. Altered chords and half diminished chords rule here. For a vocals I had in mind someone who can do everything. From manic screams to Frank Sinatra esque singing. (Don't forget the sick gutterals)More or less inspired by bungle.


All that shit guys posted is really good. But it really has nothing to do with the sound I am going for. Think more along the lines of Pysopus mixed with Necrophagist.... not really though.. :-\




toggletoggle post by BornSoVile   at Jun 14,2006 10:44pm
KeithMutiny said:
death metal and jazz huh...

didnt they alreayd do that?

oh yea they did, its called GRIND.


I don't hear any Jazz on my Terrorizer and Repulsion cds!!



toggletoggle post by Seedbassist NLI at Jun 14,2006 11:03pm
Cynic - Focus
Athiest - Unquestionable Presence

I think we're good to go



toggletoggle post by BornSoVile   at Jun 14,2006 11:05pm
Seedbassist NLI said:
Cynic - Focus
Athiest - Unquestionable Presence

I think we're good to go


This is true.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Jun 15,2006 1:00am
No jazz is necessary on a Repulsion CD.



toggletoggle post by GoatOfCatalyst at Jun 15,2006 1:38am
if you can hang with the vocals, WATCHTOWER and PSYCHOTIC WALTZ are fucking incredible musically



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Jun 15,2006 1:47am
Right, but again, they are not death metal jazz. They are more like prog metal jazz. Watchtower is fucking badass, and I've been listening to them for like 18 years now.

You NEED to track down Spastic Ink if you like Watchtower, it has some of the same guys and they just go completely batshit.



toggletoggle post by animalrampage at Jun 15,2006 4:07pm
Metalguy send me the track at funkycantor@gmail.com



toggletoggle post by babyshaker not logged in at Jun 15,2006 4:46pm
sleep terror is so good he had a nasty drummer for awhile to but i guess its back to just him again...free form jazz and death metal rocks



toggletoggle post by BornSoVile   at Jun 15,2006 4:49pm
I was booking Sleep Terror but they never got back to me with once I had a club and they just so happened to book something in NYC that night too.



toggletoggle post by animalrampage at May 19,2007 1:12pm
An Albatross's Blessphemy is pushing the envelope a bit



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at May 19,2007 2:15pm
Where can I find audio samples of Torture Garden and Pain Killer?



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at May 19,2007 2:20pm
wow.. and i just checked out Cynic for the first time. I can't beleve I wasn't aware of these guys. really impressed.



toggletoggle post by Anthny at May 19,2007 5:58pm
FuckIsMySignature said:
wow.. and i just checked out Cynic for the first time. I can't beleve I wasn't aware of these guys. really impressed.


yeah man some of the best music ever made with gitter, bass and drums, in my opinion. If you don't dig the robot vocals, they're not on the demos, which I happen to prefer. The 89 and 90 demos are the best.



toggletoggle post by fleshfries at May 19,2007 8:50pm
Alan.
Holdsworth.



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