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returntothepit >> discuss >> News Article: bush thinks intelligent design should be taught. by the_reverend on Aug 2,2005 1:54pm
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toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Aug 2,2005 1:54pm



toggletoggle post by swamplorddvm  at Aug 2,2005 1:54pm
No.



toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Aug 2,2005 2:19pm
I can't wait to see how Hoser defends this idiocy.




toggletoggle post by KillerKadoogan   at Aug 2,2005 2:22pm
talk about intelligent design. just don't mention the naughty parts about Adam and Eve doing the nasty in front of the kids.



toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Aug 2,2005 2:31pm
i remember in one speech addressing the nation he said something about achieving god's will...how did no one throw the constitution at him?



toggletoggle post by Jesus_Slaves  at Aug 2,2005 3:26pm
if this was to happen, do you really think that both evolution and "intelligent design" would be taught equally? hell no. the theory of evolution would be cast out and "intelligent design" would become the reason we are all here. A.A.R.R. will arise.



toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Aug 2,2005 3:27pm
ADULTS AGAINST RELIGIOUS RULE!



toggletoggle post by Distrust-Kevin at Aug 2,2005 4:22pm
Why can't people just say "I don't know how life started. Nobody knows." since no person does know.

The whole thing is a waste of paper and webspace, and very aggravating.

I'm not an athiest either.



toggletoggle post by dan_bloodblister at Aug 2,2005 4:29pm
less message board posting, more church burning



toggletoggle post by BornSoVile   at Aug 2,2005 4:30pm
IMPEACHMENT NOW!



toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Aug 2,2005 4:31pm
dan_bloodblister said:
less message board posting, more church burning





toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Aug 2,2005 4:33pm
For this to even be considered in the 21st century is simply disgusting. This regime of maggot throwbacks needs to end, and so does Christianity.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Aug 2,2005 4:33pm
Didn't he also bypass the senate and just approve Bolton as UN ambassador himself?



toggletoggle post by dan_bloodblister at Aug 2,2005 4:35pm
hey, if michael bolton is good enough for paul stanley, hes good enough for me!!



toggletoggle post by BornSoVile   at Aug 2,2005 4:38pm
BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:
Didn't he also bypass the senate and just approve Bolton as UN ambassador himself?


Wha, wha, whattt???



toggletoggle post by nate   at Aug 2,2005 4:53pm
BornSoVile said:
BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:
Didn't he also bypass the senate and just approve Bolton as UN ambassador himself?


Wha, wha, whattt???


yeah he used what is called a "recess" appointment. It's not uncommon for a president to do it. Clinton did it 160+ times... Reagan had almost 280 "recess" appointments... it's used quite a bit...




toggletoggle post by BornSoVile   at Aug 2,2005 5:10pm
Judge Lance Ito used to everyday for 2 years, hahah, hahah, hah. Clinton is the living legend of the 90's.



toggletoggle post by RavenousDestruction   at Aug 2,2005 5:18pm
There are lots of schools that teach relgion. People who want thier kids to learn that dumb shit should just sent them to a private school that teaches it and leave the public schools alone.



toggletoggle post by BestialOnslaught  at Aug 2,2005 5:23pm
Josh_Martin said:
I can't wait to see how Hoser defends this idiocy.



THIS IS JUST MORE JOSH MARTIN CONSPIRACY COMMIE BULLSHIT OBVIOUSLY!!



toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Aug 2,2005 5:32pm
BestialOnslaught said:
Josh_Martin said:
I can't wait to see how Hoser defends this idiocy.



THIS IS JUST MORE JOSH MARTIN CONSPIRACY COMMIE BULLSHIT OBVIOUSLY!!


THAT FUCKING WELFARE SCUMBAG COMMIE!! HE KEEPS MAKING ME LOOK STUPID, DAMNIT.




toggletoggle post by swamplorddvm  at Aug 2,2005 5:40pm
I hate bush. He's a religious moron. plain and simple.



toggletoggle post by swamplorddvm  at Aug 2,2005 5:46pm edited Aug 2,2005 5:46pm


The only watchmaker that exists. or at least the only one I know of.



toggletoggle post by hoser at Aug 2,2005 6:04pm
Ok, Joshua "The liberal media runs my life" Martin:
"Baaaaa......" - ooh, was that a sheep?

If you don't agree to the teaching of any form of religion in schools, i.e. seperations of church and state....fine. I have no problem with that.

However, if you believe that teaching kids religion as a new perspective, just because you're a "follow the metal crowd" type, then you're an idiot. If we didn't teach our kids as to the various different cultures and theories and religions, then we may as well all call blacks niggers, italians would be wops, jews would be fucking scum, get the picture? I'm not defending Bush, but he has a pretty valid point. The only time a liberal wants to open their mind is when they can benefit from it.






toggletoggle post by dan_bloodblister at Aug 2,2005 6:07pm
uhh i dont have any personal vendetta against you, but what you just wrote doesnt make a lick of sense.



toggletoggle post by hoser at Aug 2,2005 6:15pm
Sure it does. I am just bad at writing it. What I'm getting at is the fact that if we don't want to open our kids minds up to religion, then why open their minds up to racial differences and equality? Why open their minds up to anything? We may as well live in the Dark Ages.



toggletoggle post by swamplorddvm  at Aug 2,2005 6:15pm
You know where kids can learn stuff like intelligent design? CHURCH!!!



toggletoggle post by swamplorddvm  at Aug 2,2005 6:18pm
I guess it depends at what age we start to teach kids about this argument. Young kids are really dumb, I think middle school might be a good time to start learning about BOTH view points.



toggletoggle post by dan_bloodblister at Aug 2,2005 6:21pm
religion should be taught in history class, not science class.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Aug 2,2005 6:23pm
I think opponents of intelligent design don't want this to open the floodgates to having to waste kids time by teaching every goddamn religion's view on creation. And being intolerant of religious incursion on secular life is a good idea. Look at how muslims are fucking up europe with their demands for public schools that are segregated by gender and how they silence opponents of their assbackward ways through assassination (i.e. Pim Fortuyn and Theo Van Gogh) before turning around and portraying anyone who opposes them as fascist nationalists.



toggletoggle post by dan_bloodblister at Aug 2,2005 6:23pm
and by religion, i mean all religions so kids can gain cultural perspectives...not judeo christian inteligent design.

do you know how many creation stories there are? why not teach all of them alongside evolution?

its just pushing the judeo christian agenda. im by no means a lefty or against the government or any of that shit - but this is plain fucking retarded.



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Aug 2,2005 6:28pm
dan_bloodblister said:
religion should be taught in history class, not science class.


wtf u talking about!?!?!??! religion should not be taught in history class, it should b taught in religion class



toggletoggle post by dan_bloodblister at Aug 2,2005 6:30pm
dan_bloodblister said:
and by religion, i mean all religions so kids can gain cultural perspectives...





toggletoggle post by anonymous at Aug 2,2005 6:33pm
o ok then ur right

sorry
lol



toggletoggle post by swamplorddvm  at Aug 2,2005 6:35pm
I think that intelligent design is "not a christian" thing. I just think that christians use it to back their story up. So the'll probably just claim it as and overall alternative to evolution. I disagree with whoever uses it.



toggletoggle post by retzam at Aug 2,2005 11:41pm
hoser said:
The only time a liberal wants to open their mind is when they can benefit from it.


And the only time a conservative opens their mouth is to say something stupid about liberals.

It's a bad idea to introduce this view into science education because there is nothing scientific to back it up. It's not like kids can't go pick up a bible or visit a church if they want to learn about this.



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Aug 3,2005 12:14am
hoser said:
Sure it does. I am just bad at writing it. What I'm getting at is the fact that if we don't want to open our kids minds up to religion, then why open their minds up to racial differences and equality? Why open their minds up to anything? We may as well live in the Dark Ages.



Are you kidding? Because one is a matter of reality, human rights, science, and the other, religion, is fiction, or at the very least is entirely subjective.



toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Aug 3,2005 12:20am
i wonder if the recent uprising in christian involvment...in everything essentially(they always have, but recently i'm pretty sure they've been getting more active with controlling things especially with Bush at the helm of the nation) will result in a civil war of sorts? maybe not a war...but there may be a very harsh split in the population of the US...given that about 1/3-1/2 are devout christians and the rest are either atheists, agnostics, or in a religion shunned by christianity



toggletoggle post by Jesus_Slaves  at Aug 3,2005 1:00pm
i agree that teaching children all facets of culture in order to keep them from being ignorant is a good idea. but that is at the discretion of the parents. i went to a public school, and in an english class we did an excercise called "the bible through literature". they werent preaching the bible, but were more teaching it as a novel. see Bush will say it should be ADDED to the curriculum, but thats more of a way of saying it will be force fed to kids. if they want to learn religion, go to church.



toggletoggle post by eddie  at Aug 3,2005 1:05pm
anonymous said:
dan_bloodblister said:
religion should be taught in history class, not science class.


wtf u talking about!?!?!??! religion should not be taught in history class, it should b taught in religion class


i was taught several religions in history class.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Aug 3,2005 1:12pm
kids need to just learn how to be white and die. THIS IS FUCKING AMERICA!



toggletoggle post by eddie  at Aug 3,2005 1:26pm
i have a lot to say on this issue, but honestly i could give a shit. who cares? we learn greek mythology in school. isnt it the same thing? it only matters if you believe it. which is a personal thing-which is nobodies business but your own.

i love the intolerance on both sides. fucking hypocrites




toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Aug 3,2005 1:33pm
you learned greek mythology in science class? wow.. that sucks.



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at Aug 3,2005 1:58pm
as long as intelligent design is treated as one freakin' theory and not the answer, it's fine by my liberal ass.



toggletoggle post by eddie  at Aug 3,2005 2:23pm
well since other theorys are being taught along side it how can it be the answer

yeah, we were doing stuff that barely counted a sciences, constellations and such.



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at Aug 3,2005 2:28pm
evolution is often taught as if it is truth (sure it may be) and that has always bugged me. I wouldn't put it past the people likely to write the textbooks on intelligent design to put a bias on it.

that's why I'd be concerned.



toggletoggle post by eddie  at Aug 3,2005 2:33pm
brian_dc said:
evolution is often taught as if it is truth (sure it may be) and that has always bugged me. I wouldn't put it past the people likely to write the textbooks on intelligent design to put a bias on it.

that's why I'd be concerned.


that probably because there was only one theory being taught. If 2 or 3 are being taught the science course will be be objective



toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Aug 3,2005 2:56pm
hoser said:
Ok, Joshua "The liberal media runs my life" Martin:
"Baaaaa......" - ooh, was that a sheep?

If you don't agree to the teaching of any form of religion in schools, i.e. seperations of church and state....fine. I have no problem with that.

However, if you believe that teaching kids religion as a new perspective, just because you're a "follow the metal crowd" type, then you're an idiot. If we didn't teach our kids as to the various different cultures and theories and religions, then we may as well all call blacks niggers, italians would be wops, jews would be fucking scum, get the picture? I'm not defending Bush, but he has a pretty valid point. The only time a liberal wants to open their mind is when they can benefit from it.


As poorly written as that is (my God you are stupid), I think I see what you are attempting to say.

So, you really believe Bush is doing to this to "open minds"? You don't think this is just pandering to the religious right nazis who got him elected? Hey, I have some property on the moon you might be interested in buying.
Well, as long as the creation theories of ALL religions (including those dreaded muslims) is taught, and not just the moronic, Christian, "God created the world in 6 days" bullshit, maybe this could be passed off as a mind opening subject. But I don't see that happening.

Basically, not only is Bush at war with Roe v. Wade, now he's going after the Scopes Monkey trial too. Bush is trying to make this coubtry into one big bible belt. Fuck him and fuck anyone that voted for him (unless you're really really rich, than I can understand why you voted for him, otherwise you are dumb as fuck)








toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Aug 3,2005 3:09pm
One thing I think people are missing is that religious ideas shouldn't be taught in a Science class because there is no evidence to support the ideas. I don't think it should be respected because the bible is just a book, and a book that has been translated dozens of times, and was only third hand information to start with. It can't rival scientific theories that have actual evidence to support said theories.
It's just the Bush agenda in action: pushing judeo-christian thinking on everyone



toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Aug 3,2005 3:11pm
The bible should be taught in literature class along with Moby Dick, Hamlet, and other works of fiction.



toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Aug 3,2005 3:13pm
exactly. Anyone who puts stock in that book is fucking retarded



toggletoggle post by dan_bloodblister at Aug 3,2005 3:15pm
it was like when they were pushing school prayer, the proponents were saying shit like 'why cant my child pray at school?!?' and it was like. dude, your child can pray in school whenever the fuck he wants. but why would we take time out of the school day for prayer...if your child wants to pray, then pray. who gives a flying fuck. but why should that be pushed/enforced on other kids/teachers who dont want to pray? who just want to go to school and get the fuck home. it was just an excuse to push their gay agenda. i hate christianity with an undying passion, its been ruining otherwise awesome shit for 2 thousand years and it should be destroyed.
obviously, that will probably never happen, but its a nice thought.



toggletoggle post by dan_bloodblister at Aug 3,2005 3:16pm
pushing christian prayer in school, i should say. i dont think theyd look so kindly upon satanic chants before third period



toggletoggle post by Jesus_Slaves  at Aug 3,2005 3:18pm
yeah no shit. why dont they start holding a satanic ritual in science class? its the same fucking thing.



toggletoggle post by eddie  at Aug 3,2005 3:47pm
learning and practicing are 2 different things



toggletoggle post by SacreligionNLI at Aug 3,2005 4:11pm
they'd petition the satanic ritual so you couldn't do it though...if we tried the same(to ban the teaching of intelligent design, i mean) we'd be scoffed at



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