Why don't people throw all age shows at random venues any more. Were the dIY in our scene. What happend? Does anyone know where I can just do it my fucken self hit me up.

we play shows like that every week in western Ma, but never in southern or eastern Ma or RI. i've heard of a few shows in seekonk, but never been.

I do them, but I constantly lose money.

So that's your answer, slick rick. The halls are $400 a pop and only about $200 worth of kids show up.

Yeah, there's this place in Cape Cod, Sons of Italy, that does it. Some kid booked Bury Your Dead and a bunch of other bad mall metal and he still lost money on it.

umm gee there was an all aghes DIY show last thursday where were you !

mass halls are absurdly expensive. it sucks.

yea I remember while I was in high school I used to always go to Reflections and see shows, it was pretty awesome, in my opinion, but Reflecions in no more

all I know of in the New Bedford area is New Wave but they only recently started having all ages shows
but Im sure you can rent out a VFW or some shite

Fall River has the P.A.L.

If you want a nice alternative, why don't you try the town commons. If you call town clerks office, you can get more info about permits and playing at events.

I don't see how me booking a show at obriens is any less DIY then me booking a show at a VFW hall. I still did it myself.

joe/notcommon said:

because you aren't part of a DIY crowd, duh.

Make some patches with a felt tip marker and scorn anyone who is NOT "DIY" and maybe we'll talk then.

I can see how 21+ shows CAN be DIY, but if you ask me, excluding someone because o fsomething about them they cant help is really stupid and not very healthy for a DIY scene. If you ask me telling someone they cant enjoy music becaus of how old they are is FUCKING BULLSHIT. No different than tellling someone they cant enter a show because they're black or gay. Maybe i'm looking at this thw wrong way, but i dont give a fuck. I HATE 21+ shows!

In Joe's defense, he doesn't set the club rules, he just follows them.


I mean honestly, everyone would like to see more flexibility with things like time, price, and age limits. But how do we change that?

Having shows shut down, especially ones with big guarantees and big crowds, is disasterous, so to prevent that from happening you often have to play by the rules. Everyone's thought of opening an all ages space, but it takes money and time, of which most of us have neither in abundance.

so the questions is, how do we get around that, legit-style?

my rant wasnt directe at Joe, just the idea of 21+ shows in general. I know there's not much to be done to change what happens in that respect, but it doesnt mean i have to like it.

There is no room for DIY anymore all of "underground" music is coporate now. people are starting to litsen to it now and all of a sudden it costs like 4 grand to book a metal band.....right. I remember a few years back I booked the red chord at the salem elks lodge. I flyerd the hell out of the show and the show was sold out literally. There was like 200 something people packed into the salem elks. Only one fight happened nothing got broken and I made all my money back plus money for the bands, and some for myself. Not many shows like this happen anymore, and its a shame. It seems now that no one respects the halls, no one cares enough to show up, and no one can afford to pay for the bands booking costs.

Young kids don't give a shit about local bands. Unless you have a (scene label) after your band name on a flyer, they won't seek you out.