I made a joke and I got shot at by Black Metal.




It's fucking Metal

If you're talking about the Helvete board, I think I can assure you that the person that took your joke the wrong way was in the (very small) minority haha...

That kid needs to lighten up. It's ok for him to poke fun when he wants to but not for others.

Remember that now. He IS BM.

it's best just to ignore him when he goes off

what happened?

Go to www.helveteboston.com and read under the topic "what are you doing for halloween"...

HAHAHAHA!!!! Figures itd be one of the guys in my band.......

hahahahahahaha what a moron, notice my concise response. I guarantee it raises a death threat.

retzam said:

The New England Black Metal Circle WANTS YOU DEAD!!!

hahahaha
That is sad, because I really can't figure out if it was someone on here just joking around or if it is some imbecile from the helvete board.

Hahahahaha, I've never had any kind of interaction with someone this unintelligent and downright annoying in my life. That statement includes Dan (FinalBloodbath).

Wow, and these people wonder why no one takes them seriously. Oh wait, nevermind we "don't understand their culture".

You said black metal is not a culture. Don't some people view music like punk and hardcore(or their scenes) as "subcultures"? I'm pretty sure people have written a bunch of books on the subject. I am in awe at how smart you are.

Can you distinguish between the words "subculture" and "culture"? I'm willing to bet that you can without too much effort.

Tr00 Black Metalers are a bunch of pasty honkeys hanging out at the ren fair at night.

Definition of culture (that could relate to black metal): The ideas, customs, skills, arts, etc. of a given people in a given peroid. Do you want a works cited page? It's from the Webster's New World Dictionary. Try reading Lords of Chaos for starters, the proof is right there and you are a fucking GENIUS!!!

So weve already talked all we can about how much hardcore kids are a bunch of pussies who need their "crew" to back them up anywhere they go so lets pick on the black metal kids because we know theyll never find us anyways when were hiding behind our computers.
I dont necessarilly agree with the over zealous nature in which they present themselves but if you dont like it then dont post on BM message boards because at least 80% of them act like that.
And its not just BM kids either its every genre of music. People are so self-righteous and "holier than thou" about the music they play (especially on message boards!) that they think anyone who plays anything different is a fag or something. Its pretty fuckin stupid if you ask me. Im not sayin Im any better either. Ill be the first to admit that i think hardcore sucks balls and that i cant stand the way some of those fucks act but im sure SOME of them are relatively decent guys.
Singling these people out and making fun of them because of the music their into or what they believe in makes you the same kind of dickhead im sure YOU had to deal with years ago in school that made fun of you because you thought (and rightfully so) that rap sucks.

Just my opinion.

I see where your coming from, and agree with probably 95% of that, however, I don't feel I was singling these people out. Swamplord (who listens to black metal) made a little joke and this guy acted rather like a douche towards him, so I acted moderately like a douche towards him. Coldnorthernvengeance, yes, black metal is a subculture, but so is any genre of music with a following, and many other things. Just cause it's a subculture doesn't mean it is a culture, and doesn't mean they have to be complete assholes to anyone who doesn't take them seriously. I probably will read Lords Of Chaos eventually, but right now I'm perfectly content with just listening to certain black metal because it brings me pleasure musically, that's why I listen to music, not so I can be a scenester. Why do you need to keep sarcastically referring to me as a genius, did I in someway infer that I am intellectually superior to them? Some of them could be harvard graduates for all I know, I don't claim to be smarter than any of them, but morality is not a subjective thing, and also, as I mentioned earlier, they were acting like morons because of something that was said in complete jest, and even if it was meant to be insulting, it is mild at best. If people think that it is okay to have prejudice against blacks, christians, jews, etc., but not black metal fans, than they have something wrong with their thought processes.

Although, I wish I hadn't also made a simple comment on that board, as it has grown to a stupidly serious level.

And on a seperate note, if they really wanted to be "TR00 BLAK METAL" they wouldn't be neonazis who listen to black metal, they would kill christians and worship norse gods...

ya but retzam you gotta remember that swamplord makes some stupid comments from time to time, and maybe the kid was just sick of it

either way i thought it was hillarious

Abbath said:

hahaha stupid like what?

hahhaha dude it's swamplord!

How could swamplord say or do anything dumber than basing his entire life around his Black Metal scene points? Black Metal is my favorite genre of music but the majority of the tr00 BM IS LIFE fans are faggots no better than Goths who LARP Vampire:The Masquerade, floorpunching assholes obsessed with "takin my boys back, kid guy!", and kids who wear their CC shirt everyday carving "Only Death Is Real" into their desk at school or work. Black Metal is just music, and it's not even music Hitler would have approved of (especially the NSBM bands from Eastern Europe who incorporate Slavic folk music into their sound.) If you like a band support them to hell with how tR00 they are or what wave, genre, and meta-sub-quasi-movement they belong to.

By the way, Lords of Chaos is pretty clear that at the time of the church burnings most members of the "Black Circle" had a very immature Satanic philosophy or none at all. Especially gravest of all the tr00 kvlt lords Varg. Who most of the members of the scene said was a Satanist in the early 90's, but Varg himself claims to be a skinhead from his early teens. Oh wait no, he and his brother were the only people with shaved heads in Bergen and they made pipebombs because they were trailblazing individuals.

The cultural aspect of the book is suggested by the author in the later chapters as a way of explaining Black Metal's recent shift toward Nationalism. Although you could throw that out the window and make an equally valid case that the Norwegian Black Metal Scene took the Pagan infulence from Bathory's career track.

Either way, Black Metal produces incredible music while having a fanbase pretty much split between a group of elitist "tr00est" assholes who ruin it for everyone else, exactly like any other genre of music.

BobNOMAAMRooney said:


I love you for saying all that. I also am pissed that I ever even went to that message board.

Read the lyrics of some of the band's first records. There is an element of Paganism in all of them. The norwegian black metal scene did not just take the pagan influence from Bathory. They are from Scandinavia and it's ingrained in their culture. Let's make this clear, it's not just music.

coldnorthernvengeance said:

THANK YOU

In most cases these lyrics can be taken as youthful odes to mysterious forces outside of the norm. Dark forests, mountains, and the like would have been seen as Satanic or Occult symbols in the mind of a young lyricist(Wasn't the average age of the Black Circle somewhere around 19?) who did not have the experience to fully form a complete world view. It was after the musician declared himself a pagan that the lyrics were seen as Pagan.

On the topic of paganism and satanism in Black Metal, what about Darkthrone who could be considered Satanic Nihilists? Are they a part of Black Metal Culture even though they go against what we're defining Black Metal Culture as? Are Satanic Black Metal bands not part of Black Metal Culture?

It's not just one particular thing. I've said it before and I'll say it again black metal was not invented in Scandinavia. Paganism is one aspect of black metal. There are many others and many other bands with many differents topics that are tapped into. I never pigeonholed black metal into one thing. Not every black metal band is pagan, nationalistic, satanic, nihilist, etc, etc. Jus because Blasphemy is not Pagan does not mean they are not BM. Dark Throne is about as black metal as you can get. "A Blaze in the Northern Sky", when did that come out? 91 I think. They have a song called The Pagan Winter on it... I can't articulate it's depths in mere words.

If Black Metal has such a vague form it cannot possibly be a culture.

Whatever...Don't care anymore, this arguement is a waste of time. You could say if punk rock has such a vague form it cannot possibly be a culture... I have heard the terms punk culture, skinhead culture, goth culture on the fucking television. Does every punk band have the same ideals and lyrics?

Walking away from arguements...GENIUS!!!!

coldnorthernvengeance said: You could say if punk rock has such a vague form it cannot possibly be a culture... I have heard the terms punk culture, skinhead culture, goth culture on the fucking television. Does every punk band have the same ideals and lyrics? >>

Did I not answer your question or are you one of those people that like to argue for the sake of arguing. I can't help it if you and retardzam are mentally challenged.

BobNOMAAMRooney said:
...and the majority of people complaining about "elitists" in Black Metal, are clowns with goth girlfriends who watch television, use slang constantly, support human rights, listen to albums released on Moonfog, and lack the will or effort to do anything about their "normal" lives or poor knowledge of music.

For those of you who wish to learn more about Black Metal, avoid Lords of Chaos at all costs and read interviews with important bands instead, such as these:

http://panzer.users5.50megs.com/articles/dark/ofermod1999.htm
http://www.theajnaoffensive.com/NewsDetails.asp?NewsID=36
http://home.nestor.minsk.by/emn/interview/emn0106.html

this is awesome.

retzam said:

Good generalization asshole. So everyone who posts on the ‘helvete’ board is stupid or a nazi or a racist because of one person’s opinion? Its people like you that make me wonder why I try to do anything… you know what FUCK YOU! We try to do good by the way of metal which is a sub-culture… we try to set up a place where people can go out and listen to music of our tastes with people of like mind and all we get especially on this board is shit… you all scream ‘ugh there is no metal anywhere around here’ but yet don’t support (except for a few of you).

So to the powers that be erase my username and what not, I want no part of this “scene” anymore!

blah blah blah, what a gay fuckin thread.

I think the most pathetic thing about "Black Metal Culture" is the obsession with "OVERTHROWING WEAK JUDEO-CHRISTIAN CULTURE WHICH OPRESSES OUR PAGAN FOREFATHERS!"

Judeo-Christian Culture has soundly kicked the shit out of pagans throughout the history by utilizing more brutality than any douchebag in a bullet belt could ever hope to accomplish. In terms of brutality and disrespect for human life Christianity trumps Black Metal on all accounts.

Agreed. All anyone needs to do is pick up a history book and look up the crusades or the inquisitions to find examples of Christian brutality. Hence the need to overthrow it.

Duh.

Falcifer said:

How could you possibly make that connection? I said "some imbecile from the helvete board". Let's put that statement in a different perspective, say we're talking about countries: "some imbecile from England". Does that statement imply that everyone from England is an imbecile? Nope, it doesn't. Now back to the original statement: "some imbecile from the helvete board". Meaning someone who both posts at the helvete board and is an imbecile, not someone who posts at the helvete board and is therefore an imbecile. I'm glad this is cleared up.

Anyhow, northernvengeance, no one ever said that "goth's" or "punks" had their own cultures either, that was just you making blind inferances. Oh, but wait, I'm not allowed to have an opinion, I'm just "retardzam". Do you have any other insults from your second grade years (emphasis on that plural) that you want to throw at me?

Ok this is my last post on this asinine thread. You said in one of your quotes that black metal is NOT a culture ,it is a genre of music. It is in fact BOTH. I was using punk and hardcore as an example because they too are subcultures. Culture and subculture are essentially the same thing except subculture is scaled down.

Subculture - Yes
Culture - No

Exactly, I think this is the 3rd or 4th post I've said this in, so if you do indeed make no posts, I won't argue with you anymore.

Hahahaha Ok Black Metal is more than just music. But it's Music. MUSIC!!!

MY ancesters were fucked by christians as well. and half of my other ancesters were christians. BUt I'm not going to kid my self and deny my christian side. I'm not more "pagan" than I am christian. What bothers me is when beople embrace their "pagan" or Scandinavian side just to be more "black metal".

I'm am not more Spanish than Incan, nor more Incan than Spanish, nor more Italian than Incan... you get the point. Pride is gay. You're human and it's sad. Deal with it and enjoy Metal!

Exactly. I have scandi heritage, so I bet I could trace my family tree back to a bunch of people who were fucked by christians, but I don't really give a shit, because it's not affecting me in anyway and they don't pull that shit anymore.

Dymitry said:

Dymitry(and this applies to all "True" BMers) for all your anti-poser, anti-humor, anti-personality, anti-"normal" ranting you are the biggest posers I know. You are so obsessed with proving yourself to be worthy of the "truest/cool" kids in the BM scene that you go online and track down exponentially obscure bands. Why? Because you are afraid. You are insecure. You worry that someone might say, "that kid isn't true, last year he thought CoF was true" and all your scene friendships would crumble. So you drive on and on in your search for bands that will make you respected as an "individual" in the scene, with little regard for the musical content of these bands. Enough Latin in the titles, and "haunting/droning" interludes and you'll think it is something brilliant. And then you'll turn around and insult bands "released on Moonfog" when your latest "grimmest band ever" is just ripping off Darkthrone's first few albums.

What great accomplishments have you and your Black Circle accomplished? Have your actions caused a societal shift toward paganism? Tell me, has all the time you've spent drinking in the woods and grimacing in front of a mirror helped "DRIVE THE WEAK COMPASSIONATE CHRISTANS FROM THESE PAGAN SHORES!" Let me answer for you, it has not.

I'm happy with who I am and therefore I'm cooler than you, I'm grimmer than you, and most importantly I gain more from life. And Iguess the only way to change all that is to impress me by hanging yourself in your Antechamber of Ravendark Twinsun Frostmoon Glacial Depravity (Mom and dad's bathroom.)

The New England Black Metal Circle wants you dead!!!

OH NOES!!!!!!

BobNOMAAMRooney is officially my favorite person ever.

"Leave or join, but think twice before giving us and our allies support, for it may be, and IS most certain, your death that is the goal. Mortem sibi consciscere - Deus vult."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"I'm ashamed to be white and dating you"

My girlfriend to me after hearing about this thread.

Oh, and after she said that she put on a pvc outfit and rode a Vampyric bicycle over to ManRay because she's totally goth and everything.

hahaha

BobNOMAAMRooney said:
I "track down exponentially obscure bands" because that is how people with a genuine interest in the music find things to listen to. If you are too lazy to do the same, so be it, but try not to act jealous of those who actually make an effort to listen to a wide number of bands, instead of whatever "black metal" Century Media/Nuclear Blast spoonfeed teenagers with. You do not have to like my attitude at all, but criticizing someone for listening to obscure bands within a genre that is underground to begin with, is silly.

BobNOMAAMRooney said:
As a matter of fact, I have come across a number of very rare recordings that I did not like, although you would have no way of knowing from my posts.

BobNOMAAMRooney said:
So you think bands like Disiplin, Khold and new Dodheimsgard are the epitome of Black Metal, and Satyr is the sort of label owner that deserves support ( so he can "make Black Metal as big as Limp Bizkit" )? And while I am not fond of most Darkthrone styled bands, you do realize that Darkthrone did not sign to Moonfog until after their "first few albums" were released?

BobNOMAAMRooney said:
Since I am a religious devil worshipper and could care less about such a thing, no. If you actually looked at the interviews I posted links to, you could probably gather that I care nothing for "viking" circus music posing as Black Metal. Of course, jumping to conclusions is easier for you.

BobNOMAAMRooney said:
My, how very original, perhaps you can join Impaled Northern Moonforest now. Alternately, you could come to the realization that true Black Metal has nothing to do with clowns like Immortal. Or, you could run along and find a place where you can engage in scintillating discussion along the lines of "d00d Emperor r so kewl but all these elitests get annoyed with me talking about them and Satyricon over and over!! omg taht is liek so mean!!!11", as such "insecure" individuals as myself are not worthy of your time.

Man, I am glad i am old enough to realize i don't have to be part of any "scene" and that i don't base my musical taste on what others will think of me if i listen to a certain band. who cares what is "true or cult". Music is music and to each his own.

wowweeee....
kiddies these days.
Todd, remember when Mayhem was still alive? haha half these kids werent even born.

Dymitry said: (+4 scene points for you)

Thank you for solidifying my view that you and your ilk are indeed the biggest posers in music.

Look, Emperor and Satryicon were great bands for their time. Your bashing them is just another instance of you attempting to prove how grim you are by placing your tastes above them. You're like a kid in middle school who shouts things like, "Shakespeare's not a good writer!" in the middle of English class for attention. Simply put, without the "Century Media/Nuclear Blast/Peaceville" bands you now claim to hate for your image purposes your darling band of the week, which I'm sure you love for musical reasons, would not exist in its present form.

Deathspell Omega, please, they're probably the most mentioned "TOTALLY UNDERGROUND BAND THAT NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT BUT ME!" And going by your logic you should have hated them by last week.

I heaRD that Perpetual Winter are black metal...and their first show is this halloween in Keene....anyone ever heard them?
Were playing with em, but Im not a good black metal judge.

Dymitry said:

How rare are we talking here, only 3 cassettes and a single 7" picture disc? You must have felt like a fucking tool for paying so much or trading so much for something you heard was "true", for something you thought would make you hipper than others.

Using "recordings" suggests that you are projecting the image of a sophisticated and cultured individual when you're really a socially inept imbecile. Congratulations, you're at the forefront of a scene that allows the inferior to look upon their betters and say, "They just don't have an appreciation for fine audio recordings! Nietzsche quote about power! United in Misanthropy!" You can read off a laundy list of all the very rare recordings you own, how many weapons you've collected, how many brandy snifters you own, the many backpatches you own from bands you think I've never heard of, or any other bullshit that gives you a sense of purpose in life. But those are all material items that cannot show a person's true nature. Considering how you define yourself by these material items one can assume that you are an empty man, spiritually and mentally dead. Your only mention of internal life is passing, vague, and somewhat external. You call yourself "a religious devil worshiper" even in worship you look upon the better and spout off some inane babble about a will to power when the object of your worship is a crippled shell of his former glory. You define yourself by what you own and what you oppose in the material world. You will live a sad pathetic life, you will be miserable while convincing yourself that there is joy in misery, and then you will be forgotten.

Falcifer said:

I apologize. I knee jerked and for that I am sorry. I just get crazy when I even smell even a hint of a generalization. I have dealt with it my whole life (as I am sure others here have as well). I am old and should have known better.

BobNOMAAMRooney said:
Dude theres people like that in every scene. I think its stupid too but its not just in BM.

Christraper said:

I know I said the same thing earlier and I'm sure the people who attend Helvete are all nice guys. In fact I've wanted to attend since I read about it earlier this year in the Weekly Dig but I usually work late on Mondays.

It's just foolish when someone who doesn't even know me decides to prove how true they are by making what they think are personal attacks because of a general statement on my behalf. Chalk this one up to Dymitry missing my original point entirely and then going over the top with his response because he truly is the grimmest of all the forestlords.

I think it's clear to everyone that if Dymitry actually enjoyed the music he listens to, rather than seeing it as an acessory or collectable, he would welcome people he considers "Century Media/Nuclear Blast and Moonfog teenagers" into his scene. They will eventually support "his" bands giving them an incentive to tour and release new material. But all that would ruin it for him because he doesn't love black metal he loves its obscurity.

guest_Falcifer said:


I understand man, no problem. I started this shit anyway by posting something on helvete that was obviously going to offend or piss off 95% of the members of that board, which was really immature of me.

BobNOMAAMRooney said:
I believe it is quite clear to everyone that you get a thrill out of arguing for its own sake ( see all the really redundant posts you directed towards me, two of which were an hour apart ). This must be entertaining for you, since so far you have only suceeded at sounding like an atheist who tries to justify listening to rockstar pseudo-"black metal" bands.

The post on "recordings" was quite amusing as anyone can buy three new limited-to-100/200-copies demo tapes for the price of the new Darktoilet CD. There are also such things as tape trading, and more recently, file sharing networks. While I do like having original tape copies, the issue was that anyone dedicated to Black Metal will make an effort to hear underground recordings and appreciate those that are worthwhile, not listen to the same 4-5 commercial circus acts from norGAY over and over.

My point was that most "Century Media/Nuclear Blast and Moonfog teenagers", will not support the bands I listen to, because they will never make the effort to hear them ( oh, but I am wrong, soon every Dimmu Borgir fan will be listening to Dark Opus and Valonsurma, right ). I have come across people who discovered Black Metal less than one year ago and listened to Bekhira or Sargeist, I have encountered a sixteen year old who had many rehearsals of bands I never heard of, and a few other such examples. Did they sit around message boards and chat rooms whining about "elitism"? No, they were dedicated enough to the music, to always be looking out for new material.

Last of all, I have never read Nietzsche and therefore have no idea what the "will to power" comment was about, so you can feel smug that you are more familiar with trendy philosophers than I am. I will however finish my last post on this board with a quote that is perfectly suited to this topic:

We don't want to be a part of this "underground solidarity" where hardcore/life metal bullshit and Black Metal cohabit in peace. The only fraternity I can concieve is between True Evil Ones, and that doesn't mean to have only a Satanic image. Of course a Black Metal band must be dreaded and hated by common people but it goes beyond the appearance. Too much falses show a Dark image of themselves and are in fact normal guys enjoying life and living happy...What a joke! The result is that we're hated by this kind of worms because we are at a state they'll never reach. - Meyna'ch of Mütiilation.

Dymitry has been doing one hell of a trolling job keeping up this character since like 2000 or 2001, from the Metal Maniacs Board to Full Moon and now here. Brilliant.

Dymitry said:

BobNOMAAMRooney has already said:

And once again you prove me correct. Walking away from an arguement shows true EVIL on your part, you're too much of a fucking pussy to admit that your were wrong. So you retreat just like the one you worship did in the face of an allmighty God. Bullshit on loving black metal, you love your posessions.

Crunch time, douchebag. Do you renege on your word to leave this trendy messageboard forever and look like a fool. Or do you remain a fucking pussy.

powerkok said:

Yea,they were awesome then..,when they came out it was just about the music,now you got all these BM "kids" fighting over nothing.

You mean at one point musician's were all about music?? That seems so, strange...

RustedAngel said:

LOLZ

IF IT'S NOT BLOODAXE, IT SUCKS.