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:	post by Boozegood at 2012-12-18 17:52:12

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In the Revolutionary War, Britain knew the terrain less than the colonists, and were certainly the foreigners in that sense.

Interesting theories but all research I've done and real world experience I have had does not support your idea. Those aren't the reasons that COIN is so difficult.

In Vietnam, again, we were the foreigners dealing with insurgents, despite having some local allies.

Ours was not the only conflict going on there.

The Balkans were more of a civil war type situation than a pure government vs. insurgency scenario.

Which conflict?

Reading through the links and still looking for the argument a single man or a few men can defeat the US government in its current state, no matter what the firepower of the rebels. I'll keep looking.

http://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/full-...%80%9Cvision%E2%80%9D-of-the-future

An interesting article in Small Wars Journal in that to me it in-itself supports the ideas I've been saying (about COIN being exceptionally difficult) while trying to outline a way to conduct a COIN war in America.

I also think I've tried to be pretty rational in most of the substance of the arguments I've posted (here's another one: no one ever mows down a bunch of schoolkids with a cannon)

Okay? That's not the point of the example though; the point of the example is that the founding fathers did in fact have very advanced/heavy/destructive weapons during their time and never once specifically stated 'citizens can't have these; only a musket. In their house.'

I guess I just don't understand why it's so hard for people on your side of the spectrum to just admit they want to change the Constitution of the United States of America.

, but I admit there's been a very strong undercurrent of emotion through all of it, too, I'm guilty as charged on that one. On either level, though, I don't think there's anything wrong with having someone advocating for the liberties of the children who were killed for once, not just on behalf of the ownership of the guns that killed them. Doesn't seem irrational to me.

When it comes to why I've been emotional, I think this hits you way harder if you have kids in a way you don't know (and I didn't know) until you have them.

For instance one Marine vet mom who has used guns for protection all her life, guarded her children with a gun close to her every night while they grew up, and once saw her father and brother killed in separate incidents by gun violence, said after this shooting she was no longer going to be a gun owner because a firearm is more likely to kill someone who lives in the home than an intruder, and because packing a gun didn't save her murdered relatives from not having a chance to react in time (she was on the news this past weekend on Chris Hayes' show); certainly, that observation and that statistic were available to her before, but the emotional impact of this shooting ironically made her more rational about accepting that data.

Certainly not saying anyone else should come to the same conclusion as her, we all have the right to own a gun in our home; just pointing out how having kids, even if you've supported gun rights all your life, has caused this tragedy to change a lot of minds that never would have otherwise.

I'll stop posting anything else on this issue in this thread, I've made my point. You guys made your points very well, too. This is a hard subject for anyone to change someone else's mind in a debate either way.

Not much to say about this part.

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