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: post by largefreakatzero at 2012-12-17 16:46:07
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My daughter is in the first grade here in CT, in a school a lot like Sandy Hook, where I sent her on Friday and again today. I keep thinking about this all day every day since this happened, walking through it in my mind over and over, what it would look through the eyes of student, child, and shooter. This topic isn't a subject I ever write about, and what I say here won't make me very popular here, but I don't really give a fuck.

If the Founders of this country saw their sacred right to have a musket in your home stretched to semi-automatics that kill dozens of children in regular mass shootings, they would be disgusted. There's no way to extrapolate that intent from them. None.

We don't each have a nuclear bomb or a bazooka under the second Amendment, even though they're arms, so why semi-assault rifles? This is one area where being a strict constructionalist really makes sense, as the second amendment was conceived about muskets when you couldn't shoot more than one person every thirty seconds.

40% of gun deaths in American come from guns legally owned by friends and family, like in Sandy Hook, but sadly many people think having high-powered guns in your house and taking your kids to the shooting range is still the solution and not the problem, like this shooter's mother did - and she unwittingly ended up helping him practice his target shooting for twenty first graders. For those who want to make the case that more guns are the answer to preventing future shootings, all I can say is that if one of your relatives grabs those guns you legally own and shoots you in the face, I'm not surprised and you get what you should have expected - but your stupidity also kills my child and dozens more, and that's when your damned right I have a say about it.

My child's life is worth more than expanding your gun rights beyond the muskets the second amendment was written around.

The true libertarian position at this point is the correct one: people have the freedom to hurt themselves, but NOT infringe to on each others' freedoms: it's time to take all police resources directed towards drugs and free up law enforcement to focus on eliminating guns that can be used for multiple shootings; the idea that to this day a person could walk into my daughter's elementary school and kill children with a legally purchased military-style weapon but would be ingesting illegal drugs in an overdose had he chosen to only harm himself shows exactly what is wrong with our country, and why the twenty dead children will not be the last unless we reverse that mentality. You want to kill yourself, go right the fuck ahead, drugs and no guns mean you go out alone. Instead we have legal military style weapons and illegal heroin, the implication shoot the kids as long as you don't shoot up. Who favors that policy? Anyone?

Thing is, though, we will probably see this kind of mass shooting of children happen at least another five or ten times before we actually change - hundreds more children WILL die due to the power of gun enthusiasts like the shooter's mom to resist these changes in law from happening. And with every shooter, the question is raised: how many children's lives are worth the cost of not being able to reload your clay pigeon shooting fast enough? 20? 50? 100? 200? 1000? And eventually the number will get big enough - but the real answer is one child. Your child. Any child.

In regards to bomb comparison, it's a pretty good because it makes the point bombs are illegal as these guns should be, and having government surveillance/pre-emptive techniques on bombing attempts used with the same efforts on preventing mass shooting sounds good, too. When it comes to the argument of how CT had relatively tight gun controls to other states, the murder weapon was in fact LEGAL here, clearly showing how low the bar is for reasonable controls in any state; what little gun control we do have in our state is why this shooter was twice denied guns when he tried to purchase them himself, due to his unwillingness to go through a background check and waiting period.

For the record, I have never before posted anything on the topic of gun control, nor was I in favor of legalizing all drugs, just pot - but this tragedy has changed my mind and convinced me we've got it all wrong in terms of liberty when it comes to these things. Be free unless it infringes on the freedoms of others. Drugs, on their own, don't when taken by people. Guns capable of mass shootings do. And every dead child in that school shouldn't have had their rights to live freely at all put BEHIND the rights of others to weaponize freely.

Liberty and justice for all.


So what law would have prevented this? What law do you want to propose that would prevent this in the future?

You point out that the gun was legally owned, but you fail to mention it was not legally acquired by the shooter -- he shot the owner, dear old mom, remember?

So, you go ahead and ban all "assault rifles" -- are you going to send the cops around door-to-door to the millions upon millions of Americans that legally own firearms with what you have deemed "high capacity" magazines?

All I've seen is theorizing and posturing from the anti crowd, but no practical ideas about execution of an actual law. Nothing would have prevented this from happening, and nothing with prevent it from happening again. Do your absolute best to protect yourself (and your family if you have one) and don't rely on government to help you.
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